Exit Polls Suggest Syriza Has Won Greek Election

[Sava]

^^I'm convinced!

[dannubis]

Really ?

Was it that easy ?

[Sava]

i'm a slut

[dannubis]

[Sava]

fish are like the fleshlight of the sea

[Dinner]

Could you list an example?

I have listed several examples in this thread. Like outlawing anyone else owning or operating a coal mine other than the state owned power company. Like granting legal monopolies to several other state owned firms for processing and refining several metals. The sole purpose of those regulations is to prevent competition, to protect a special interest's profits, and to raise prices.

There are at least two coal mines which could be developed and which investors say they would develop but which the government is refusing to grant permits for citing the monopoly protections law for the state owned power company. Those are lost jobs and taxes which won't be paid. If Greece was serious about lowering unemployment and getting the economy moving again it should be repealing official monopoly protections and allowing those new fields to be developed.

There is a lot the Greek government could do to help get the economy moving but not only are they not doing that but they are instead making matters worse by adding stupid new regulations. Like outlawing the construction of new hotels that are all inclusive. That is just about the only section of the tourism economy that was actually growing and increasing employment and they are killing it? These ****er are their own worst enemy.

[Bereta_Eder]

Dannubis does have a point
(yeah, dannubis)

[Bereta_Eder]

let's see.

tourism is actually going Great (too bad I'M NOT involved in it )

lots of businesses/families feed off of it.


allowing all inclusive will kill those and will turn the profits of many to the hands of a few conglomerates so **** that.

of course investors are interested. and I'm interested in caressing scarlet johansen's ass. Doesnt mean I'm going to get to do it

coal mines. perfectly within EU regulations since the energy mix is differentiated with renewables. plus price would go up not down. electricity is CHEAP. so fvck that. we have lignites we have unlimited free power. fvck private capital. the state gets for free the state gives for free (more or less, should be even cheaper). some other things are ludicrous though there. must indeed fix.

what else?

oh minerals.

colonial like contracts with a certain french company dating back to the 1950's (free power distorting competition with other heavy energy consuming metal companies) and disregard of environemntal issues on a gold mine from a canadian company.

yeah. screw those two as well.

(there are opposing views on the latter, courts will decide - there it will cost jobs, so must tread carefully and certaintly)

so let's see

by not following oerdin's advice,

we saved the lifelihoods of thousands, protected jobs and at the same time kept energy cheap.
we rock

Now if someone would kindly take austerity and shove it up their ass, more good things would come about (and fixing a couple of things too but under those circumstances - priorities)

and of course a bunch of family oligarchies that need swift reformation and a legal framework that needs simplification WITHOUT compromising basic workers rights. and a just tax reformation.

(danubis told about the incompleted roofs (you pay tax when you have completed your house. so even if a brick is missing, it's not complete).
what I say is the rooftops with swimming pools on them that are registered as water tanks or what have you.

Resolve. Justice.


What all of that have to do with austerity and the need for lenders to get their money back is beyond me.

[Dinner]

Yes, it is nice to get tourists to pay higher prices but given the weak economy in Europe more and more people are opting for the cheapest option and that often means all inclusive. I prefer to avoid all inclusove but I have the money to do that and it is stupid to simply give up on the fastest growing segment of the market as it still means jobs and taxes paid. If you don't give them that option then they will simply go else where.

Don't even try to defend the horrible legal monopoly laws which outlaw competition (coal and metals were two examples) because you darn well know additional production and competition would mean additional jobs, additional taxes, and additional exports. All things Greece badly needs. Lastly, your sense of entitlement that electricity should be practically free is one of the major reasons your country is broke and bankrupt. You have to change that by making people pay the true costs of the services they consume in order to make the system sustaimable. Stuff like this are why you guys are a cluster**** of failure.

[Bereta_Eder]

Tourism is growing regardless.
Try finding such beautiful AND stable countries around the world.
GOOD LUCK.

Tourism is not under threat.
(and no, unfortunately it doesn't mean taxes payed)

Cluster**** of failure is U! and we're pretty sure we know the reason.


Electricity is not cheap. Far from it and it is proportional to consumption.

It is also a basic right such as water, food, education, healthcare.

You won't be able to privitize that ever.

That's what being a civilized country is.


The electricity bill up to now, was maximized because the previous gov had put in it tax to fund PRIVATE COMPANIES renewables!!!!!!!!!!


Scrapped.


I know our mistakes and shortcomings.
On Taking lessons on how to be complete screw ups I will call you.

And metals are not a monopoly dufus. Au contraire There are contracts that distort fair competition and need to be revised asap.

neither is electricity per se. for the time being coal mines are in the interest of the average consumer to remain in public hands. safe correct cheap ample feed.

i won't even begin to tell you what happened when a private investor showed up (he took all the state subsidies to fund his own private power company and run and spent it all on nightclubs :/ he's in jail now)

[pchang]

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/gre...ist=lcountdown

In addition to the brain drain (explains why Paiktis feels lonely), the numbers show that while tourist visitors have increased, total tourist revenue is down.

[Bereta_Eder]

Tourist businesses are notorious for tax evading (up to around 98% of incomes on popular resorts).
The reason is that only greek tourists would be interested in getting a receipt.
Same happens in all mediteranean resorts

Recently a tax squad visited an island and got chased off of it
(the previous govs of up to 2009 had effectively closed down tax monitoring. suited them just fine)


and i'm not lonely

[Dinner]

The ****** in charge is once again declare he will not meaningfully negotiate with creditors. It is like he is trying to default.

Lastly, you are a fool if you think Greece is the only option to tourists looking for fun in the sun. Spain, Portugal, Italy, Morrocco, Turkey, Croatia, Bulgaria, Lebennon, Israel, and Egypt are all competitors with similar offerings. Greece should be greenlighting every proposed project which has funding because it is new construction, new jobs, and increases competitiveness of offerings. This is just one major example of how Greece is undermining its own recovery.

****, if you people had gone ahead with the privitizations five years ago, when any sane person would have, then you'd be done by now and half of your national debt would be paid off. If you were really, really smart then you would have pushed through the privitizations when times were good before the crisis forced your hand but, alas, Greeks have proven they never miss a chance to screw things up even worse.

[Bereta_Eder]

All of this could have been avoided if at 2012 the people voted for syriza and exited the euro.
Now we would have been 100% ok.

But you have to respect their wishes and their own time.

Of course it is good that the gov is giving a hard time to creditors (the troika was unaccountable and lacked democratic legitimacy, which is one of the main reasons its program has been such a FUBAR, the other was that even meaningful reforms were resisted)

[dannubis]

My bank lacks democratic legitimacy. However, that doesn't mean I can force you to pay for the loan I took on my house...