Exit Polls Suggest Syriza Has Won Greek Election

[Bereta_Eder]

PASOK created the National Health Care System and elevated pensions schemes to acceptable levels by sensible wealth redistribution.
Also it opened up the public sector to the left wing which was always a marginal majority in Greece.
Before PASOK, the left wing was excluded from public office (yeah. believe it).
PASOK brought socialism and democracy in Greece. (along with double digit growth)

It failed because it succumbed to endemic bourgeois corruption. It became the b!tch it fought.
Thankfully people set things straight again.

[Bereta_Eder]

And the population of Germany is 80m and they are telling Merkel to hold firm. If you believe in Democracy, you have to accept when the majority votes against you.

The EU is 500 million cha cing and they don't want to work their asses off for the likes of you.

[Bereta_Eder]

the people of iceland are much better off for having defaulted.

i must point out, and this is something many people miss about the european crisis, that each country must be analysed individually. greece's crisis is nothing like ireland's and comparing the two is unhelpful. in any case ireland would have been better off going the iceland route, allowing the banks to collapse and gaoling, and ruining those responsible. the people of ireland have paid a heavy price for the greed and stupidity of a small élite who have got away scot free.

Semantics like "that country has pulled out of the memorandum" etc are useless.
Poverty is on the rise in countries that now have very comfy loan rates and continues to rise with public services continuing to deteriorate. Wealth accumulation and divergence continues to increase, the taxes are still a bazzllion times more for the poor than the rich, social services continue to be ranshakked etc
An american like capitalist dystopia of extreme barbarity has clearly shown its face.

That's why the tide is rising.
Of course Iceland's one-time reaction is the ideal one. I think everyone agrees on that. But there are other routes. People just can't be fooled
Political vehicles for change come and go and their names may change but the driving force is the will of people themselves. Always has been.
That goes even if Syriza compromises, reaches its democratic mendate limits or fails. (same with Syrizas' european wide)

[The Mad Monk]

Ah, so you finally understand C0ckney?

You should be nicer to Cockney -- he's the one helping you maintain your conservative credentials.

[kentonio]

You should be nicer to Cockney -- he's the one helping you maintain your conservative credentials.

[Bereta_Eder]

And here's the minister of labour saying we're fully prepared to leave the eurozone
(I like it because the trees and leaves give it a tarzan look)
He's making pararels with the "no" to the axis in 1940 and to the heroic exodus (attack) on turks in mesolonghi (the memory festivities of which he attended)





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which basically means, if you can't give them results, give them show.
panem et circenses.

meanwhile the gov. has not borrowed one cent since august and has made all the payments and it has even raided welfare funds to do so (some bastards are creaming their pants reading this I feel it).

Prediction: come july a new deal will be struck that will be marginally better or it's out of the euro.

The good thing is that all recessionist measures have been halted and austerity measures too.

[pchang]

Lagarde says you will make the 460M Euro payment on Thur.

Btw, I thought you said raiding welfare funds would be both austere and recessionary.

[Bereta_Eder]

Miracously enough, it isn't.
Which makes me think it's all on paper.
The 5 euro for admition to hospital - scrapped
Pensions cut - scrapped
First domicile tax - scrapped

no further loans from the troikans from august on AND all so called obligations payed.

Strange huh?

Any gov. that dares touches pensions further or further increase taxes is toast. (as Ming used to say)

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Will you have the money until July though?

At the moment in the news the panic is being spread about upcoming 1/2bn to IMF later this week, do you see it as a real issue, or just another round of not-so-soft intl pressure through the media?

[Bereta_Eder]

yeah media would make an hysterical auntie look like budha in comparison.
I don't particularly pay them attention.

This particular tranch of IMF loan would probably be payed I think (unless Tsipras goes full putin later this week when he visits moscow - which I'm pretty positive it won't happen)

The july date was sort of agreed by both sides as a "cease fire" to "assess and progress" kind of thing (all the hoopla with he said she said are imaterial IMHO). So I think that's the defining date.

Germany's strategy was always to go into a slow (or not so slow) stragulation of the economy as the july date approaches so as to soften the opposition so to speak. This hasn't happened yet. Greek gov is a mixture of financial and geopolitical game.
Basically the only thing that is really agreed is the july date in which case I think we will see a new memorandum. But that's by no way 100% sure.

As for the coffers is virtually impossible to say because even the troikans who came here weren't allowed basically not even inside the finance ministry.

But yes, I'm pretty sure that untill July there's money.
(and there's a whole load of money in offshores, switzerland, london real estate, the list goes on and on - you just need the time and the political will to go after them, and an international goodwill)

On a personal note though the total crushing of the opposition (proven thieves) delights me to no end and it's a great pleasure living these times (and all the anguish the few supporters of the old status quo go through, basically because they have lost the ground from underneath their feet, it's quite magical)

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Good to hear, will be interesting to see how the squealing in the papers goes after Thursday.

On a personal note though the total crushing of the opposition (proven thieves) delights me to no end and it's a great pleasure living these times (and all the anguish the few supporters of the old status quo go through, basically because they have lost the ground from underneath their feet, it's quite magical)

[Dinner]

So did he walk away from his trip to Moscow empty handed like everyone said would happen?

[Bereta_Eder]

Yeah but most probably with a deal for July if need be.
Also it will be apparent in the european councils if there was an exchange.

[Dinner]

Paiktis, you can't even remotely compare what happened in Iceland to what happened in Greece. In Iceland it was private banks which went bust and the Icelandic government just refused to bail out those private banks. It was never on the hook for the debts of the private banks. In Greece it is the national government which ran up huge debts so, yes, it is the government which is on the hook.

[Bereta_Eder]

So let the french and the german banks take a hit, where's the big deal? We're a Union right?

BTW never take seriously what the defense minister says. He's the token rightist that helps keep the balance (half of Greece is right, half Left and you have a hugely left gov in place. Keeping the peace. I have lost some hair from my head listening to what he has occasionally said too)