Exit Polls Suggest Syriza Has Won Greek Election

[I AM MOBIUS]

And who is supporting that aggression? Definitely not me.

Your government is by cosying up to Putin.

Part of the problem with Greece was and is a lack of justice, not a lack of tax consciousness.

'Part of the problem'. Yes, not paying tax is another 'part of the problem'. Your politicians got Greece into this mess.

That has little to do with the EU's ****ed up system though.

I agree, the EU should never have been tricked by Greece into allowing them into the Euro.

Eschatologically the end result would have been the same.

Well, both Greece and the EU are to blame: Greece for its ****ed up corrupt politicians, and the EU for believing them. Greece is the criminal and the EU is its accomplice.

Now go and pay the taxes you were supposed to have and stop being a hypocrite!

[Bereta_Eder]

It is like that if you believe that it is like that you dumb goat ****er

[Bereta_Eder]

Why shouldn't syriza speak with putin? They are speaking with the others.
The US and the sold out leadership of today's EU are as much to blame for what's going on.
Enjoy having nazis in the ministry of defense of ukraine btw.

Greece didn't trick anyone to enter the EU

Germany is addicted to exports and will be great to but a dent in that addiction.

[Dinner]

Bull****.

You'll be the first to whine like a crybaby when the US defaults and you're asked to pick the slack.

Baring some politicians deliberately trying to make the country default (like the tea part Republicans did in 2013) there is no structural reason to default. Certainly not due to an inability to pay. That is why the US has always paid it's bills on time and in full for the last 239 years.

To compare Greece had to strip the cupboards bare including not paying it's domestic bills on time just to make the $642 million payment last week and it has another $22.5 billion yet to pay this year. It can't do it. Either it defaults and gets kicked out of the Euro or it cuts some sort of deal to not repay the money until sometime in the far distant future. Creditor nations don't seem to be politically willing for a fifth bailout so letting Greece go seems the only viable option.

[Bereta_Eder]

US model is appaling.

[Dinner]

Paiktis, stop trying to blame everyone else for the problems Greeks created for themselves. They were the ones who ran up the debts, they were the ones who refused to pay their taxes, they were the ones who refused to reform their economy when times were good, just like they are the ones still refusing to reform their economy now that times are bad. Other people can't help someone who refuses to help himself.

If even after the crisis hit Greeks had made the hard choices to complete the privitizations in a timely manner, reform their regulations, and do things like eliminate the minimum wage then Greece would be far better off today then it is. Instead they choose to dither and play fantasy games like a child who didn't want to take its medicine. That is a problem Greeks created all by themselves and there is no one else to blame. Given that you still seem to be unwilling to own up to this basic reality Greece really has no choice other than to exit the Euro with the hope that they might be let back in after they actually have completed the necissary reforms.

[Bereta_Eder]

No chance in hell that these so called "Reforms" will be implemented.
We value our people.
And the tide is turning on a paneuropean level.
That's because neoliberalism makes about every sane person, sick.

[Dinner]

US model is appaling.

Says the guy from the country with a failed economy.

[Bereta_Eder]

Well the framework is changing.

[Dinner]

No chance in hell that these so called "Reforms" will be implemented.
We value our people.

You value them so much that you leave 1/3rd of them unemployed. I have to say actually having a job and earning a living, even if it is less then you want, is better than being unemployed and not earning a living. Greeks are still blocking projects which would create employment and generate new tax money (like new hotels and a planned coal mine that has been blocked by regulators for a decade due the stupid monopoly laws). Why? If you want to improve your economy and get people back to work you should be removing all the road blocks. That is something Greeks could do all on their own but they are not.

Greeks are eventually going to have to understand that they are their own worst enemies as they are not being part of the solution. Eventually, the foreigners will get tired of helping their irrational childish friend who refuses to help himself and then you will just be stuck with no options, no friends, and no help. Grow up already.

[Bereta_Eder]

:/

You remind me of what cockney described as a friend of his who worked in afganistan.
Aka clueless.

Selling off everything is not a solution that is envisioned. If that butthurts some, their problem, default and out.
The unemployment was simply because of the medicin you described.
It is about to be spitted back on mengele's face.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Your government is by cosying up to Putin.

It's actually quite brilliant. Remind the EU that Greece does indeed have other options if kicked out and scare the US ****less as a NATO member may have pro-Russian loyalties. Realpolitik at its finest.

[Bereta_Eder]

I would like to believe that despite this very real aspect of the visit, tsipras also has the peace of the region of ukraine in mind too.

[I AM MOBIUS]

It's actually quite brilliant. Remind the EU that Greece does indeed have other options if kicked out and scare the US ****less as a NATO member may have pro-Russian loyalties. Realpolitik at its finest.

No, it's not. You're looking at things in too simplistic a way. All Greece is doing is burning its bridges still further and showing its lack of principle at the same time.

Realpolitik is the domain of Machiavellian dicks without morals...

[Bereta_Eder]

The one who lacks principle is anyone who is opposed to peace.