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CIA torture report..... thats it?!? thats all we did?
AFAIK the private who made these pictures im Abu Ghraib had lots of fund.
So much fun that she made the pictrues and then distributed them among hert friends
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Just so long as they don't raise taxes on the wealthy for any of that stuff, I'm fine with it.
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ACLU Calls on Obama to Pardon Bush Officials for Torture
We know Americans would never put Bush, Cheney, et al on trail, so why not do the next best thing - have Obama pardon them for their crimes? Lots of precedents for presidential pardons without charges laid - this would acknowledge they engaged in criminal behavior, but will not be charged for those crimes in the US.
Elegant.
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hmmm... even I thought the US did some bad things. read that report - wow, yeah, hopefully our enemies will read this and deicide to do the same.
I think it sure beats having your head cut off... or a bullet in the head.
Actually, torture is universally considered to be worse than just a murder.
Besides, USA, as the biggest aggressor in the world, killed plenty of people in all wars they waged since WW2. ISIS is not even close.
And even more people died as a consequence of wars, coups and instability made by USA.
I don't know if you remember but they were flying airplanes into our skyscrapers.
You mean, 15 citizens of Saudi Arabia, two from UAE, one from Egypt and one from Lebanon were flying airplanes into your skyscrapers. And then you attacked Iraq out of the blue. Yeah, i remember something like that.
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My issue is, even if it could produce viable intel it's still morally reprehensible. We've imprisoned and executed people for torture! Now, I'm not the most moral person but this is just too far. We, the USA, used to be strongly against this sort of thing and even went to war partially because of it. We've decried the use of torture in countless wars and demonized the perpetrators for using this cruel and inhumane tactic. The day I watched and read how our government was trying to redefine what is and is not torture is the day I knew it was officially "off the tracks". We used to be above this sort of thing.
Well, "it was just done to terrorists" is what many people have said. First, are those not people too? Maybe some of them were terrible people but people none the less. Second, has our government never imprisoned someone as a terrorist who were later found to have done nothing wrong and years later had to release them? Third, have any of you researched just who all may be considered a terrorist under the current laws/guidelines and thought just how far this thing could potentially spread?
Of course people will say that assertion is ludicrous and it will never happen. 13 years ago I would have said the same thing about our government spying on all the citizens, labeling veterans as possible home grown terrorists, classifying people who support their constitutional rights as extremists, throwing people in prison with no charges no legal council no right to due process and no contact with the outside world. 13 years ago I would have laughed at the idea our government would assassinate US citizens or hold secret court hearings which are not subject to oversight from other than those they approve. 13 years ago I would have been angry with anyone who claimed my country tortures people.
I am seriously afraid of where we will be in another 13 years.
Here's the report: carbonated.tv/news/senate-cia-report-2014-reveal-an-us-government-torture-program
This really isn't bothering me the way I was expecting it to. It all seems so mundane.
The truly heartbreaking thing is that we've reached a point where people actually feel this way. 30 years ago, the west would have been utterly horrified by the idea of a supposedly civilized nation acting in this way. Sure as hell it happened even back then, but never openly sanctioned by the government. The only good thing about any of this, is that outside of America the west is STILL ****ing horrified by this brutality.
Actually, torture is universally considered to be worse than just a murder.
Besides, USA, as the biggest aggressor in the world, killed plenty of people in all wars they waged since WW2. ISIS is not even close.
And even more people died as a consequence of wars, coups and instability made by USA.
You mean, 15 citizens of Saudi Arabia, two from UAE, one from Egypt and one from Lebanon were flying airplanes into your skyscrapers. And then you attacked Iraq out of the blue. Yeah, i remember something like that.
P.S.
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Iraq attacked an ally, so yeah we we whooped that ass. Don't forget.
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30 years ago, the west would have been utterly horrified by the idea of a supposedly civilized nation acting in this way. Sure as hell it happened even back then, but never openly sanctioned by the government.
Openly sanctioned is the operative term. Peter Taylor was the author of 'Beating The Terrorists ?'
He went on to report for the programme throughout the 1970s on a wide range of issues including the Vietnam War, the Palestinian conflict, the Miners’ Strikes, alcohol abuse, the politics of tobacco and the escalating conflict in Northern Ireland, which was to become his speciality in the decades to come. In 1979, Taylor wrote the first of his nine books, Beating the Terrorists?, a controversial investigation into ill-treatment at RUC interrogation centres based on his initially banned television report.
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