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  • Originally posted by Dauphin View Post
    It appears to have been a popular news article last month. Loads of news media ran with it for some reason.

    Something was seriously off with the story as the same data had Georgia with a higher GDP per capita than Switzerland.

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    • The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland

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      • Meh, they want to actually plan it properly for the best future for all the countries in the Union, rather than just rushing some crap onto the statute books. As long as they do it and it's fair for all involved, that's worth the wait.

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        • Nothing's gonna happen.
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          • Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
            Nothing's gonna happen.
            Except it is, because they've already all very publicly agreed to it, and not acting would just mean there'd end up being another referendum in about 5 years. Please stop being ridiculous, the UK is a democracy.

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            • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              The UK as a whole is poorer than Mississippi.
              I wish this were true. If it were, it'd be much cheaper to order products from UK based sellers.
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              • Originally posted by Oncle Boris View Post
                Nothing's gonna happen.
                Considering UK's history of non-devolution?
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                • Originally posted by Colon™ View Post
                  Considering UK's history of non-devolution?
                  or its history of not kicking constitutional reform into the long grass.

                  oh, hang on...
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                  • Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                    Except it is, because they've already all very publicly agreed to it, and not acting would just mean there'd end up being another referendum in about 5 years. Please stop being ridiculous, the UK is a democracy.
                    But doesn´t a referendum need the approval of the prime minister or at least a parliamentary majority to be allowed?
                    I somehow doubt that the Prime minister would give his O.K. again for a referendum (at least not in the next decades) ... and I guess hat also the parliament would be rather not supportive of a referendum, considering how close scotland came to segregating last time

                    (or with other words ... scotland had its chance and didn´t use it, now it is property of the UK forever )
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                    • Well the decision to hold a referendum (or premature elections for that matter) depends on the amount of political pressure the estabishment feels it's getting.
                      So probably not in 5 years but in the course of time, if there is enough pressure (i.e. more of scotland becomes like the rundown parts of Glascow) there could be a referendum again.
                      Usually though referendums are being decided by the establishment in the most opportune time that combines two factors I think. First, when the pressure is ready to bust open the cooking pot AND when the chances of a referendum having the result the establishment wants are higher.

                      Watch as the UK gets various variable geometry clauses from the EU when that referendum takes place (the same as Scotland got, but won't get it, probably :shrugs: )

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                      • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                        or its history of not kicking constitutional reform into the long grass.

                        oh, hang on...
                        Which is something else than "never", right?
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                        • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                          Except that's not actually true. They pay way higher taxes than we do, which is what pays for the healthcare and so forth. And poor people do get free healthcare here, it's called medicaid.
                          1. As someone who is currently on Medicaid (hopefully not much longer, start a new job with possible long-term prospects tomorrow), I have to say, it's much better than nothing, but it ain't the greatest. For example, in several weeks I'll be paying eighty bucks to have a dentist look at my teeth, because my insurance covers nothing but extractions. Everything else dental is out-of-pocket.

                          2. The way we deal with healthcare in general is tiresome and stupid. I've never heard a clear explanation exactly of why everything sucks here--generally they just say "administrative costs," whatever that means--but it costs too damn much, and a large percentage of my healthcare decisions are not "which option is better for my health?" but "which option will the insanely draconian bureaucracy allow?" Which doctors are covered under my plan? Which treatments are covered? It's all in the fine print somewhere, but often you get bounced between three different offices who give you three different answers. And sometimes office C will just refer you back to office A.
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                          • Dental should be paid out of pocket, Elok. It's not risk and shouldn't be covered by insurance. The only reason it ever is is because of the tax exemption.
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                            • Also, the reason you face so much bureaucracy is twofold:

                              1. Government rules on what can and can't be covered
                              2. The fact that healthcare insurance choices are not made by the consumer.

                              Healthcare insurance is highly competitive. But the customers are not actually the patients. The customers are the employers. Employees don't directly choose their healthcare. If this changed, I guarantee health insurance companies would be more responsive overnight.
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                              • Well there is dental stuff that is conceivably insurable like if you get your teeth knocked out in a sports accident.

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