Argenchilea goes full Venezuela

[Dinner]

Her tenure as SecState was a ****ing dumpster fire. Did you miss the part about "Russian Reset?" Everything she did as Secretary of State was a mistake. And her popularity was pretty low for people in her position. Colin Powell left the job with higher approval ratings than her, and he's not President. Even Condoleeza Rice had ~55-60% approval ratings at the end of the Bush administration.

Regardless of her approval then, she has no ability to run on her legacy as SecState. Russia's anschluss of Crimea and the destruction of the consulate in Benghazi are going to haunt her until the end of her political days. And there's not any particular success she can point to either.

I don't like her all that much but you're babbling a whole lot of nonsense here. Hint: Only cretins and buffoons even mention benghazi because of the nonsense made up by the right wing conspiracy loons.

[regexcellent]

Depends on what you mean. I don't believe any bull**** about her deliberately getting people killed or other conspiracy nonsense but the entire situation there was mishandled and the Obama admin and state department tried to cover up their incompetence. That's all there is to it.

The point is, there are a bunch of things she can get hammered on from her time at the State Department and not really any specific accomplishments she can point to.

[N35t0r]

I don't get why Ben is trying to claim Chile is the same as Argentina especially since Chile is financially very stable.

He thinks he's insulting me in a clever way. It's very amusing.

[Dinner]

How was it mishandled? Tell me.

Btw on two occasions the state department said that building wasn't hardened for attack and should be closed but the consulate said they wanted it open and they twice refused additional security personnel because the ambassador said it would just make his job working with the locals harder. So what exactly do you think the SecState should have done differently? Tell me about this supposed mismanagement th a only exists in the minds of raving partisan media entertainers. While your at it why don't you tell us how Hillary was supposed to have stopped Putin in crimea since you brought that up?

Your whole list is a load of garbage and amounts to "The weather wasn't nice so I am going to blame someone I don't like even though they had nothing to do with it."

[Dinner]

I had a good game of Victoria 2 as Argentina recently. Sure, you start out with a tiny population, no industry, and few resources other than cows but I was able to conquer Chile, Uruguay, and Paraguay and then make the needed political reforms to attract immigrants which slowly converted to my culture until they finally outnumbered the militant locals. By the end of the game I was even able to grab a few colonies in Asia and Africa so I could eventually industrialize a bit.

[Felch]

I don't get why Ben is trying to claim Chile is the same as Argentina especially since Chile is financially very stable.

Yeah it's absolutely retarded.

Btw on two occasions the state department said that building wasn't hardened for attack and should be closed but the consulate said they wanted it open and they twice refused additional security personnel because the ambassador said it would just make his job working with the locals harder. So what exactly do you think the SecState should have done differently?

Somebody had to take the blame, and it's the person willing to take the top job. Presidents get ****ted on all the time for a lousy economy, even though they have next to no control over it. It's like how Pharaohs used to be overthrown when the Nile floods weren't up to snuff.

[Colonâ„¢]

I had a good game of Victoria 2 as Argentina recently. Sure, you start out with a tiny population, no industry, and few resources other than cows but I was able to conquer Chile, Uruguay, and Paraguay and then make the needed political reforms to attract immigrants which slowly converted to my culture until they finally outnumbered the militant locals. By the end of the game I was even able to grab a few colonies in Asia and Africa so I could eventually industrialize a bit.

Vic2 is a waste of potential.

[Dinner]

The reality is if she ignored the ambassador and just said "I don't care, close it anyway!" then Fox News and the other right wing dullards would have just attacked her for being "arrogant" or "not listening to the people on the ground" or some other such nonsense. That's why polls show Benghazi is ignored by the vast majority of the public and only Fox or AM radio cretins even talk about it these days. Usually they throw in a bunch of conspiracy nonsense claiming Obama and Hillary were sending in US special forces to help the attackers kill Americans or similar nonsense. I mean it, conservatives in this country have lost all touch with facts and reality. Just listen to some of their "debates" in 2012. The worst part is most of the politicians don't even believe the nonsense they're spewing, they're just telling their lobotomized followers what they want to hear even though they know it is a complete lie.

[Dinner]

Vic2 is a waste of potential.

I agree there. Victornia 1 was pretty ground breaking and filled a spot which just hadn't ever been explored in a grand strategy game but you could tell they just didn't put much effort or money into Vic2.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't get why Ben is trying to claim Chile is the same as Argentina especially since Chile is financially very stable.

Where did I say they were Chile? I said they were Argent-chilea. A silver (second rate), Chile.

[molly bloom]

Where did I say they were Chile? I said they were Argent-chilea. A silver (second rate), Chile.

So you obviously think that Argentina's solution is to follow Chile's example- rescue its economy after a catastrophic experiment with monetarism by applying measures used by Socialist governments elsewhere ?

[Hauldren Collider]

Was worth the try. If it hadn't been tried more people could have trying to excuse Russia behaviour on Western enmity.

Part of the Russian Reset was cancelling things like the missile defense system in Poland. An exceedingly stupid move, since it made our allies angry with us and honestly did nothing to placate the Russians.

[Ben Kenobi]

An exceedingly stupid move, since it made our allies angry with us and honestly did nothing to placate the Russians.

You're assuming Obama is an ally of Poland. He's not.