It is in any case better than your continued misuse of words.
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HC has very strong authoritarian views. He's expressed a preference for dictatorial governments over ones who follow a democratic process (using islamaphobe arguments... revealing his racism). He has a strong preference towards using violence as a means of promoting his national agenda.
Nazis don't want state-run economies, necessarily. Plus, fascism isn't an economic ideology. You could just as easily have more of a market system with fascism. Above all else, fascists are social darwinists. They tend to oppose welfare systems.
c0ckney has a much better understanding of the word "fascism" than you danny boy
Aside from people who use such labels to self-identify, I prefer to think of it as a spectrum. I suspect many hard core self-identified fascists might actually be less "fascist" than someone like HC. It just so happens, their personal propensity towards violence and enthusiasm for sharing racist views is much greater than our mild mannered Kucibros (I find little distinction between reg and HC's views).To us, it is the BEAST.
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1. That does make him an authoritarian, not yet a fascist.
2. If you can find a way on how to make everything subordinate to the state without a state run economy I am all ears.
3. And yet you use my (simplified but in this case adequate) definition of fascism Sava boy. So we disagree on HC, not on what fascism is.Last edited by dannubis; January 28, 2015, 09:08."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."
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Originally posted by dannubis View Post1. That doesn't make him an authoritarian, not yet a fascist.
Also, you're just doing a "no true scotsman".
If you can find a way on how to make everything subordinate to the state
and ultimately, every thing, as wellTo us, it is the BEAST.
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Originally posted by Sava View PostYou should try reading before commenting. I don't believe it makes him either one because I don't find labels aside from self-identification to be particularly relevant.
Originally posted by Sava View PostAlso, you're just doing a "no true scotsman".
Originally posted by Sava View PostEvery citizen of every nation is subordinate to the state.
and ultimately, every thing, as well"Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."
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Originally posted by dannubis View PostThat part of your post was not yet showing when I wrote my reply so bite me.
No I am not. I am applying a definition.
Really. This is what you come up with when we are talking about fascism ?
(I've taught this for a living, you know)
(and not at some catholic school in texas)To us, it is the BEAST.
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So a fascist is not a totalitarian nationalist ?
And a totalitarian nationalistic regime does not require a state run economy?
What non fluid definition of fascism would you give me then ?
BTW, appeal to your own authority is a slippery slope towards a logical fallacy. But I do applaud the fact you weren't teaching in a catholic school in texas."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."
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Originally posted by dannubis View PostSo a fascist is not a totalitarian nationalist ?
And a totalitarian nationalistic regime does not require a state run economy?
What non fluid definition of fascism would you give me then ?An inherent aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigisme,[4] meaning an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence over investment, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, apart from the nationalizations of some industries, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.[5]
Fascism operated from a Social Darwinist view of human relations. The aim was to promote superior individuals and weed out the weak.[6] In terms of economic practice, this meant promoting the interests of successful businessmen while destroying trade unions and other organizations of the working class.[7] Fascist governments encouraged the pursuit of private profit and offered many benefits to large businesses, but they demanded in return that all economic activity should serve the national interest.[8] Historian Gaetano Salvemini argued in 1936 that fascism makes taxpayers responsible to private enterprise, because "the State pays for the blunders of private enterprise... Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social."[9]
BTW, appeal to your own authority is a slippery slope towards a logical fallacy. But I do applaud the fact you weren't teaching in a catholic school in texas.To us, it is the BEAST.
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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove View PostFascism is definitely totalitarian, and while a fascist regime may not feature a totally state owned economy the economy in a fascist country is generally supervised by the state.
At minimum, private entities would need be compatible with the national interest.To us, it is the BEAST.
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Originally posted by wikithe State pays for the blunders of private enterprise... Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social.
I've heard many solid arguments about the US government bailout of the auto and financial industries doing exactly this... putting loss on the public while profits go to corporations.To us, it is the BEAST.
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The first 2 lines of your answer don't imply a state-run economy? Not as direct as in communism of course but still "You are free to do what the state wants" is not a free-market (regulated by the governement) economy."Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."
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Originally posted by dannubis View PostWhat non fluid definition of fascism would you give me then ?
Originally posted by Benito Mussolini"We want to be aristocrats and democrats, conservatives and liberals, reactionaries and revolutionaries, legalists and antilegalists - depending on the circumstances of the time, place and situation."To us, it is the BEAST.
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Originally posted by dannubis View PostI was talking about a state-run economy, not a state-owned economy.
Historians and other scholars disagree on the question of whether a specifically fascist type of economic policies can be said to exist.To us, it is the BEAST.
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