Write Some ****ing Code

[Ben Kenobi]

I still don't understand what your aversion to management is.

Would you prefer to get paid for doing something you enjoy and do well or would you prefer to get paid for babysitting?

[onodera]

Fair enough. I haven't exactly ever been a manager, so I don't really know what it's like.

It all depends on your temperament, really. If you're a good developer/analyst/engineer/whatev, then it is likely you won't like managing people. You can have a dashboard for your servers, but you have to proactively monitor your team, give and solicit feedback, help them balance their load and resolve conflicts that don't have *the* correct way of resolving them.

[loinburger]

I still don't understand what your aversion to management is. I figure it's pretty much the only place to progress a programming career after you hit Senior Developer or whatever.

I already do technical management: this project can be split up among these three programmers, I'll coordinate the integration of the three different parts. I'm good at this and I enjoy it.

I hate personnel management: two of my co-workers can't stand each other and are always sniping at each other in public Skype / Hipchat channels, I don't care why they don't like each other and I don't want to mediate / arbitrate, and they're both good programmers so even if I had the authority to fire one of them I wouldn't want to.

[Sava]

That makes two offers so far

[loinburger]

I still don't understand what your aversion to management is. I figure it's pretty much the only place to progress a programming career after you hit Senior Developer or whatever.

Personnel management isn't the only way to progress a career past senior developer, but it's probably the easiest (meaning that the demand is higher for personnel managers than for software architects or CTOs or whatever); however, given the choice of stagnating as a senior developer and advancing as a personnel manager, I'll go with the former because I hate the latter. I also know several developers who regret having made the transition into personnel management, and once you make the transition it's difficult to reverse it because potential future employers will often assume that you stopped programming once you started managing.

[Aeson]

It all depends on your temperament, really. If you're a good developer/analyst/engineer/whatev, then it is likely you won't like managing people. You can have a dashboard for your servers, but you have to proactively monitor your team, give and solicit feedback, help them balance their load and resolve conflicts that don't have *the* correct way of resolving them.

Yah ... computers are awesome, and people generally suck. (Not you fine people of course ... )

[loinburger]

Update: Even if I wanted to be a manager, this is not the right company for me or anybody else to be a manager.

1. My boss is quitting (hence my chance at promotion!)
2. The head of QA is leaving (not good)
3. The server admin is leaving (even less good)
4. The Elasticsearch admin is leaving (better in general than the server admin leaving; worse for me personally because I'll have to become the Elasticsearch admin)

And so on. Hey everybody, if you're running a company and you have a choice between "taking an unfavorable loan" and "not paying everybody for a few weeks": you can probably recover from an unfavorable loan, but you probably can't recover from everybody quitting

[loinburger]

loinboss: Just to give you a heads up: I'm quitting with zero notice, and I'm taking my company computer with me as an ******* tax

[Hauldren Collider]

Theft seems like a poor choice.

If a company looks like it will fail (or does fail) to make payroll, the writing is on the wall. Time to go.

[regexcellent]

At the point where your company is considering not paying employees it's gotta be seriously up **** creek.

[C0ckney]

if the company is not going to pay the employee's wages, i don't see why they shouldn't take them in goods.

[loinburger]

It's not like they've got enough money to sue us all

[regexcellent]

Am I right in thinking your company's prognosis is very poor? I can't see how it can continue to exist out past a few months if the sysadmins and programmers are fleeing like rats from a sinking ship.

[loinburger]

Yeah, they grew too fast - a year ago they had about 100 employees, now they've got 600, and they're not projected to be profitable until late next year at earliest. Their problem is that even if this culling brings them down to a more reasonable number of employees, they're going to run into the problem of all of the best employees having left (since they're the ones who are most likely to say "**** this, I can find a better job that actually pays me")

[Colonâ„¢]

I copy/pasted some code to my tumblr.