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Elephant in the Room - The Connection between Mental Illness and Gun Violence
Yes, I imagine it's more difficult to commit murder when you've been committed.
Sarcasm aside, the data does appear to support a contention that increasing the level of mental health services provided and relaxing the standards to involuntary commitment for the mentally ill can reduce the murder rate by a third.
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Driving a car is legally way easier than shooting a gun at someone,
And then you go on and tell me that I'm comparing apples to oranges?
Also, no. Go buy a gun, buy ammunition, shoot (not in all states though). To drive a car, you need a license. And probably insurance? I don't know in the US, but over here it's mandatory.
and owning a car is also much less onerous than purchasing and owning a gun.
Wat? From what I read, in some states you can buy a gun at a country fair and don't have to do squat else to keep it and shoot it. Or am I missing something?
You're comparing apples to oranges. I'll let that slide for the moment to say that even if we do compare driving a car to owning a gun, cars kill far, far more people than guns do, and that's even adjusted on a basis for number of people who own cars vs. number of people who own guns.
So somehow improve road safety? It's not either/or, you know, you can both put in slightly stricter gun regulations and launch a road safety campaign.
Also, most people drive cars to, you know, get around. I bet there's a lot more successful car trips per car death than successful gun defenses per gun death.
Certainly wasn't an optimal solution for sure...but equally certainly better than living in a cardboard box, wouldn't you say?
The point is...we can do better than either. Mental illness only becomes a focus when something like this happens. Everyone just looks the other way until there is an "event" and then it is all "shock" that it happened.
I don't think it was better than being homeless because there was abuse. People were getting paid for care and not giving it properly. Let's fix the VA and go from there.
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Sarcasm aside, the data does appear to support a contention that increasing the level of mental health services provided and relaxing the standards to involuntary commitment for the mentally ill can reduce the murder rate by a third.
On topic and a good point. DD is having a good posting day. This must be encouraged!
So then I don't see how it helps your argument if British firearms deaths are lower than British automotive deaths.
Yes, it's called mental health. Clearly in the Beniverse sane people take their own lives all the time
I'm not sure why people consider suicide as a public safety issue surrounding guns.
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I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
While social-economic-demographic-geographic-and-political indicators show the strongest association with homicide rate variation, the results show the importance and potentially preventive utility of broader ICC criteria, increased psychiatric inpatient-bed access, and better performing mental health systems as factors contributing to homicide rate variation
support what you said?
They want better access and better performing mental health systems... i.e. more money.
That's the opposite of what you want.
What you actually want is the complete defunding and eradication of any and all public entities... mental health and otherwise. So let's get that out of the way.
Your "solution" in this thread is looser standards so as to lock up more people. Your source doesn't support that.
What you actually want is the complete defunding and eradication of any and all public entities... mental health and otherwise. So let's get that out of the way.
Your "solution" in this thread is looser standards so as to lock up more people.
Sarcasm aside, the data does appear to support a contention that increasing the level of mental health services provided and relaxing the standards to involuntary commitment for the mentally ill can reduce the murder rate by a third.
l2read Sava.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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