Supreme Court rules in favor of public legislative prayers

[molly bloom]

Ever took the time to actually read Common Sense by Thomas Payne? Teachers really don't tell the true story.

Ever taken the time to develop any common sense ?


(Don't bother answering, it's rhetorical....)

[DinoDoc]

Yes, clearly I'm the stupid one for not putting much weight in a theory that requires you to piss away basically everything Jesus said and stood for in favour of an excuse to wage war on people.

Jesus wasn't a pacifist.

[kentonio]

Jesus wasn't a pacifist.

Please don't be retarded.

[DinoDoc]

Please don't be retarded.

Have you ever read the Bible?

[Sava]

I'm just basing it on him making posts like this:
As if Christians are something apart from himself.

I don't know if poor communication skills makes him an atheist.

[Lorizael]

Sava, you have too many thanks as it is. Stop saying hilarious things.

[Sava]

THE DRIVE FOR FIVE (hundred) BABY!

[Kidlicious]

:sigh: Do they teach you anything about America? Yes, the colonists were generally pacifists. That means no revolutions.

[ColdWizard]

THE DRIVE FOR FIVE (hundred) BABY!

What? Go back and remove all thanks you say? I suppose I could do that...

[Sava]

noooooooooooooooooooo

[ColdWizard]

Sad Sava may be more amusing than Face Explodey Sava.

[Sava]

I WIL LMAKE YOUR FACE SPLODE

[Ben Kenobi]

Ever took the time to actually read Common Sense by Thomas Payne? Teachers really don't tell the true story.

This is why you need my class.

[Ben Kenobi]

The Declaration of Independence predates the 1st amendment, which doesn't allow the establishment of religion.

Given as the preamble has two references to God, I cannot see how one can argue that the Declaration supports the interpretation that references to God qualify as 'establishment of religion'.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sure, if thats what those men believed why should I care - to paraphrase Jefferson, it makes no difference to me if my neighbor believes in 20 gods or no god, that neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

And given as Jefferson wrote prayers to God where appropriate in the preamble, I see no justification for the removal of similar prayers in the pledge. Checkmate.

Why?

Removing God in the pledge implies that God is against our natural rights, and that in order to possess them, we must deny God. This is backwards. One of the reasons atheists push so hard for it is because they believe that natural rights do not come from God.

I'll ask again, where do the Constitution and Declaration of Independence say this is a Christian nation? And where did Jesus mention natural rights from a Creator?

Good question. Where does Jesus mention natural rights? You're gonna have to get out the Summa.

http://www.utm.edu/staff/jfieser/vita/research/aqu.htm

This is a good place to start. Aquinas says it better than I ever could.

I'm okay with both if children aint told by teachers to swear allegiance to them

So you're ok with swearing allegiance to the flag, an inanimate object and not to God?

The Pledge tells children to swear allegiance to its god, the Declaration of Independence does not

If you're ok with pledging allegiance to the flag, then I see no reason why you would have issues with pledging allegiance to God.

Where does the constitution bar parents from teaching their faith to their children? How does your question relate to what I said?

The constitution protects the rights of parents to ensure that their children get an education in their faith, ergo, it permits schools, in loco parentae to do the same.