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[Imran Siddiqui]

There's also what miltaries will do for the dead of the other side. They still get buried, because if the enemy held the field we would want them to do the same for us.

Um... that's not necessarily a universal thing, except for recently. For example, I don't think the 300 at Thermopylae got buried by the Persians (and actually, IIRC, Leonidas had his head cut off and his bodied crucified and the Greeks had to bury their own dead afterwards).

[notyoueither]

That's my entire point - why would YOU care what they did to your body after you died? When I was an atheist I could give two ****s what they did. I'd want my organs for transplants, but then give me a natural funeral so I could return to the Earth (garbage disposal would do the same thing I figure). If they wanted to use me for heating, fine.

Our societies work better when we treat humans as special. Respect for the dead is part of that.

To be honest, as a practical matter I wouldn't mind my final resting place being a hospital power plant's furnace. As a member of a society I'll go along with custom and allow that I be cremated and the ashes fired into the sun, or a river, or someplace. But not in an urn on some mantle. Oh, no, not that!

Oh, and I'm not an atheist. Where's whaleboy?

[Sava]

so I could return to the Earth

well yeah

unless someone shoots you into space

you aren't going anywhere

bub

[Imran Siddiqui]

Our societies work better when we treat humans as special. Respect for the dead is part of that.

Why is respect for dead human remains = treating living humans as special? They don't necessarily have to go together (nor do they always).

[notyoueither]

The concept of "spiritual but not religious" is BS to me. Of course spiritual is religious. There is a reason people use the term "organized" religion - it implies that religion doesn't have to be in an organized group or setting.

Bully for you and your hesitance to expand your mind to understand the views of others.

[Imran Siddiqui]

well yeah

unless someone shoots you into space

you aren't going anywhere

bub

Have you failed to realize that I'm impervious to your trolling by now?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Bully for you and your hesitance to expand your mind to understand the views of others.

Which is amusing coming from someone who has closed his mind to what religious means.

[Sava]

Have you failed to realize that I'm impervious to your trolling by now?

I'll get you

[DinoDoc]

and his little dog too?

[notyoueither]

Um... that's not necessarily a universal thing, except for recently. For example, I don't think the 300 at Thermopylae got buried by the Persians (and actually, IIRC, Leonidas had his head cut off and his bodied crucified and the Greeks had to bury their own dead afterwards).

Yes, people have done horrible things to enemies historically and even into the present day. The trend though is for less and less of that to happen as we learn better how to live with each other. You don't need an organised religion, or any spirituality at all to realise that with 6 or 7 or 10 billion people running aorund we're going to have to make some accomodations for each other.

[Sava]

what religious means.

Religion is when you turn your brain off and listen to some old white man child molester tell you how the universe works... by reading a book written by bronze age inbred desert people.

[Sava]

and his little dog too?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Religion is when you turn your brain off and listen to some old white man child molester tell you how the universe works... by reading a book written by bronze age inbred desert people.

So Islam is... spiritual but not religious?

[notyoueither]

Which is amusing coming from someone who has closed his mind to what religious means.

I'm fully aware what religion means. It's important to you and many others and it informs your thoughts and actions. I can respect that. I can't respect an assertion by you or anyone else that my philosophy or spirituality is necessarily religious. You're suffering a failure to understand that there are people and POVs other than your own.

[Sava]

So Islam is... spiritual but not religious?

fine

old brown men too