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[Imran Siddiqui]

The trend though is for less and less of that to happen as we learn better how to live with each other. You don't need an organised religion, or any spirituality a6t all to realise that with 6 or 7 or 10 billion people running aorund we're going to have to make some accomodations for each other.

The trend is that way due to the victory of liberal Western values, which were created in coordination with Christian faith belief systems, due to colonization and military might of Europe and the United States.

[Sava]

liberal Western values rose in spite of religion, not because of them

and to military might

we should eliminate conservatism using military force

we've been doing it for almost 240 years

conservatism has been the bad guy in every american conflict

revolutionary war
tories were conservative

civil war
rebel traitors were conservative

ww1
central powers vs democracy
conservatism is ultimately monarchism

ww2
nazis = conservative

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm fully aware what religion means. It's important to you and many others and it informs your thoughts and actions. I can respect that. I can't respect an assertion by you or anyone else that my philosophy or spirituality is necessarily religious. You're suffering a failure to understand that there are people and POVs other than your own.

Spirituality IS religion. The original definition of the word (religio) was about respect for what is sacred. You don't know what religion means and you continue to show your ignorance.

[Imran Siddiqui]

liberal Western values rose in spite of religion, not because of them

You keep believing that, little Sava.


Sava?

Sava bien, merci! Et toi?

Sava bein aussi!

[notyoueither]

Why is respect for dead human remains = treating living humans as special? They don't necessarily have to go together (nor do they always).

Now you're back-sliding. It's for those who remain.

[molly bloom]

Europe.

America, home of the free range corpse.

Investigators first found 20 bodies in the building where the crematory supplies were kept. Then they found bodies everywhere: in cars, in vaults, beneath dirt mounds, in a coffin putrefying beside a lake, across the lot's sprawling property, in a mass grave right by the house.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/classics/haunted_places/3.html

It's downright criminal.

[Sava]

You keep believing that, little Sava.

I don't believe anything.

It's fact. I just acknowledge that facts exist.

Religion has fought against liberal Western values as long as they've existed.

[notyoueither]

The trend is that way due to the victory of liberal Western values, which were created in coordination with Christian faith belief systems, due to colonization and military might of Europe and the United States.

I'm not going to argue counter-factuals, but the idea is in Chinese thought and elsewhere.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I don't believe anything.

It's fact. I just acknowledge that facts exist.

You can't handle the facts!!

[Sava]

You can't handle the facts!!

I can if they are written in a book.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm not going to argue counter-factuals, but the idea is in Chinese thought and elsewhere.

As we well know, China was a paragon of treating people with respect.... if you were Han

[notyoueither]

Spirituality IS religion. The original definition of the word (religio) was about respect for what is sacred. You don't know what religion means and you continue to show your ignorance.

You continue to show your narrow-mindedness in very large neon letters.

Instead of asking how can that be? You think you know, when it's very obvious you have no clue.

[Imran Siddiqui]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_but_not_religious

he term "spiritual" is now frequently used in contexts in which the term "religious" was formerly employed.[20] Both theistic and atheistic beliefs have been known to criticize this development.[21][22]

[notyoueither]

As we well know, China was a paragon of treating people with respect.... if you were Han

Yeah, they treated others about the way Euros of the time treated others. Your point?

[notyoueither]

"Both theistic and atheistic beliefs have been known to criticize this development"

Derp