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[Sava]

That's twice now I've seen you use western media sources to prove that western media sources are lies.

Serb

[Hauldren Collider]

God help us if you go to prison before your 21st.

I'm not sure what this is about, but I'm already 21 so I guess you don't have to worry.

[molly bloom]

Yeah, right. And Russians of course at the same time existed in some kind of parallel universe in a tropical paradise where diseases and winter didn't affect them.

Which means what ? It's hardly refuting my point, that the retreat of the Grande Armee was turned into a disaster by weather and disease. Should we perhaps list the battles the Russians lost to Napoleon ?

[QUOTE] [And Napoleon surely never experienced logistical problems, diseases or harsh environment ever before. Egypt anyone?
/QUOTE]

Do you mean the Battles Of Aboukir Bay and the Pyramids ? He lost the former against the British and won the latter against the Mamelukes. His army stayed in Africa for a further two or three years after the battle and his return home..

Oh great, another Molotov-Ribentrop bullsh!t.

Oh dear- I'm sorry you find it distressing to discover that Russia allied with Napoleon, but it did. And much to Poland's (and the Baltic States' cost) so did Stalin with Hitler.

Perhaps you think bad Western press made up the Nazi-Soviet Pact and the new Partition of Poland, and conjured up an imaginary Treaty of Tilsit- took place on a raft or pontoon, I seem to recall.

He had all the time and all of the Europe at his disposal. Sooner or later he would have a fleet good enough to bring Brits on their knees. That was a question of time.

That's an example of creative thinking. Good work, but it's not history.

So, Napoleon was defeated in Russia and by Russians.

Or lice in Vilnius.

BACKGROUND:

Many soldiers in Napoleon's Grand Army died of infectious diseases during its retreat from Russia. Because soldiers were commonly infested with body lice, it has been speculated that louse-borne infectious diseases, such as epidemic typhus (caused by Rickettsia prowazekii), were common.


CONCLUSIONS:

Our results show that louse-borne infectious diseases affected nearly one-third of Napoleon's soldiers buried in Vilnius and indicate that these diseases might have been a major factor in the French retreat from Russia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16323139

and :

In another account, Count Rochechouart, a French aristocrat in the Tsar's service, tells how he did his best to stop Russian soldiers flinging the 'yet living' out of upstairs windows to make room for their own wounded. And yet another description comes from the German writer Ernst Moritz Arndt, who arrived in January 1813 to see the frozen corpses piled up three-storeys high, and to hear them 'rattling' in the streets as sleighs went about collecting them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/archaeology/napoleon_army_01.shtml

I know, I know- it's all Western propaganda and lies.

[Serb]

That's twice now I've seen you use western media sources to prove that western media sources are lies.

Serb

Do you referring to the Cohen's article?
You don't accept any other sources except your own. And I've never said that all western sources are lying. There must be some sane people out there. I find it hard to believe all of you guys are complete idiots.

[Sava]

I've heard that Russian men only have a life expectancy of 55 years. Poor Serb.

[Felch]

Cohen is a Soviet apologist. In one of his other pieces for The Nation he answers this question:

14. If you could make a phone call to the past, whom would you call, and why?
For many years I have studied and written about the Stalin era. I still have important questions. To answer them more fully, I need to speak with Stalin—primarily about his monstrous crimes during collectivization and the Great Terror. Not to judge him, but in order to understand. But I need another call to the past. As I now prepare an expanded edition of my biography of Nikolai Bukharin, using archival and other new materials, I also need to ask him important questions.

Not to judge him? Would somebody call up Hitler and not judge him? Cohen is an absolute tool. Not taking him seriously just proves that we're not as gullible as the average Russian.

[The Mad Monk]

Only the ones drinking lots of vodka, which I don't think Serb does.

Vokda = another western plot.

[Sava]

Cohen is a Soviet apologist.

Because he wants to ask Stalin questions instead of berate him?

Not to judge him? Would somebody call up Hitler and not judge him? Cohen is an absolute tool. Not taking him seriously just proves that we're not as gullible as the average Russian.

Yes. As a journalist and historian, interviewing someone would tend to take precedence over taking someone to task.

I'm not quite sure why this surprises you. That's what they do. That doesn't make one a "soviet apologist".

He specifically referred to Stalin's "monstrous crimes". Is that not enough "judging" for you?

Should he call Stalin a meany poopy pants? Would that make you feel better?

[Felch]

It would make me feel better. Stalin is very mean and his pants are very poopy.

[pchang]

Russia gets past Norway, but Finland will be much tougher.

[The Mad Monk]

It would make me feel better. Stalin is very mean and his pants are very poopy.

Lying stroked out on floor for two days will do that.

[Guynemer]

So, you are not just a regular nazi, but a hereditary one. Not that I'm surprised.

Stay classy, Serb.

[Guynemer]

Lying stroked out on floor for two days will do that.

Lying in your own filth for two doors is a very good way to get a nasty rash on one's ass.

[Serb]

You were too cowardly to face Napoleon on the battlefield knowing you'd probably lose so you retreated and let his soldiers run out of food and starve to death in the cold. Well, I guess all is fair in war

We waged the war in full accordance with Sun Tzu's art of war. Our enemy has conqured and ****ed up everyone else in Europe, except the island people, who, well, were on island and thus were unreachable to him. So, yes, he was pretty strong and had an army of battle-hardened veterans, conquerors of Europe, when he invaded Russia. An army the size no one ever saw before. That would be DUMB to face your enemy openly on the battlefield (not that we were able to avoid such battles, but that wasn't the idea how to win the war), if he is much stronger and wants exactly this - to crush you in a decisive battle. Instead we have cut-off his supply lines and used hit and run tactics to win the war. This is what Liddel Hart calls an inderect approach and he considers inderect approach as the most natural and proper way to fight the war vs. a stronger enemy.
When the west uses hit and run tactics and inderect approach instead of the decisive battle - it's a brilliant and wise desicion. When Russia does it and WINS the war vs. the entire West combined under the banners of Napoleon - it's cowardness.
You f*cking hypocrites.

[Sava]

Russian cowards have never won a war. They come crying for lend-lease. Wah wah, help us America!