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  • Americans who don't really get the First Amendment

    Originally posted by HP
    Nearly Half Of Americans Grasp The First Amendment About As Well As Sarah Palin Does

    More than 4 in 10 Americans think the First Amendment protects them from being fired for what they say, and more than 3 in 10 think it applies to situations like A&E's now-revoked suspension of "Duck Dynasty" star Phil Robertson, according to a HuffPost/YouGov poll. But they're wrong.

    In the new survey, 45 percent of Americans said the First Amendment does not allow people to be fired from a job for expressing their views, while only 36 percent said such firings are allowed under the Constitution. Twenty percent said they weren't sure.

    Moreover, 35 percent think the First Amendment does not allow a television network to suspend an on-screen personality for expressing a politically incorrect point of view, while 43 percent said such a suspension is permitted under the Constitution. Another 22 percent said they weren't sure.

    In fact, the amendment -- which starts with the phrase "Congress shall make no law" -- protects Americans only against the government's intrusion into free speech and does not apply to the acts of private employers. But that didn't stop politicians and others from weighing in after "Duck Commander" Phil Robertson was suspended by A&E in December for comments he made about homosexuality and pre-civil-rights-era race relations that many people found offensive.

    Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) said that, even if he might find Robertson's opinions offensive, "this is a free country and everyone is entitled to express their views."

    "In fact," Jindal continued, "I remember when TV networks believed in the First Amendment."

    Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) also weighed in, posting on Facebook that "Free speech is an endangered species. Those 'intolerants' hatin' and taking on the Duck Dynasty patriarch for voicing his personal opinion are taking on all of us."

    The high-profile conservative defenders of Robertson's right to offend others showed a welcome, and very American, belief in the importance of free speech. What they seemed to be missing was a basic understanding of what actual protections people have or have ever had in the private sector. (Perhaps Jindal is not familiar with the use of "morals clauses" in entertainment industry contracts, which allow a performer to be fired for behavior that may bring the network into "public disrepute.")

    That confusion about constitutional rights isn't limited to Republicans, the new poll finds. Thirty-eight percent of Republicans, 38 percent of independents and 29 percent of Democrats said they believed the First Amendment applied in a similar situation. More generally, 50 percent of Republicans, 45 percent of Democrats and 41 percent of independents said they think the amendment shields people from being fired for things that they say.

    The poll respondents were more confident about situations in which the First Amendment is, in fact, applicable. By a 72 percent to 14 percent margin, Americans correctly said that the First Amendment does not allow people to be arrested for expressing their views. By a 62 percent to 21 percent margin, they said the government is not allowed under the amendment to prevent certain points of view from being expressed on TV. (But take note: In practice, there are limits to even well-established speech rights.)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...p_ref=politics

    Wow, so it's not just Ben who doesn't really get the whole constitution thing.

    45% is pretty shocking..

  • #2
    Ooh, when will Kentonio level up to *staunch* conservative?

    Yes, we get it. Sarah Palin is the devil.
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    • #3
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      • #4
        When I was in elementary school, kids used to punch other kids while saying, "It's a free country." Perhaps that still happens. Anyway, the point is we Americans don't exactly pride ourselves on knowing what this whole freedom thing is about.
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        • #5


          Ooh. Looks like she likes your thread, Kentonio.
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          • #6
            Oh course she would, she'd skim read the title and assume it just said American First Amendment. She'd probably then book a FOX segment to express her support.

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            • #7
              I really don't get the hate. She was a vp nominee 6! years ago. Let it go, kentonio. Sure, she's a hot conservative woman with kids and a husband.

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              • #8
                Can a mod please delete any subsequent pictures the retarded one posts in this thread please, as he's already passed the point where he's just spamming.

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                • #9
                  It's the title of your article, duh.

                  Nearly Half Of Americans Grasp The First Amendment About As Well As Sarah Palin Does
                  You started this, kentonio. If you don't want posts about Sarah Palin, why start threads about her? Oh, that's right, crapping on her is ok. Saying nice things about her is not.
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                  • #10
                    How about you go away you pathetic little creature? Seriously, you're a pointless, boring, sad little man, who tries to compensate for your failure of a life by puffing up your chest online and acting like a big man. It's why you can never admit you're wrong, because that would mean confronting the fact that you're not even close to as clever as you foolishly believe yourself to be.

                    Seriousy, go find another thread to pollute, you bore me.

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                    • #11
                      go find another thread to pollute
                      But this one is the Palin babe thread. We haven't had one in awhile.
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                      • #12
                        If he bores you, stop responding to him. He should still have the link in his sig, even.
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                        • #13
                          Ok soldier, given how little else you have in your life, I'll let you have this one. You go ahead and post as many pictures of that hilarious woman as you like. Then tonight when you're lying in bed alone as always, you can give yourself a little pat on the head and tell yourself how you really showed everyone yet again.

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                          • #14
                            Considering how poorly Kentonio understands our constitution, particularly the first amendment, this is somewhat rich...
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                            • #15
                              If I tell someone to keep quiet and back it up with the threat of force or punitive measures I've violated their free speech. The 1st Amendment says Congress can't do that, but free speech is not limited to government interference.

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