What, no thread about how frickin' UTAH now has legal gay marriage?

[Elok]

I suppose there is, but honestly, it's not earth-shaking news to me. It's pretty clear, at this point, that gay marriage is going to wind up legal in every state. All this means is that it happened in an unexpected order, or perhaps a little earlier than expected.

[N35t0r]

Hell, it's even happened over here, it's about time you guys caught up.

[Elok]

Dude, based on the Argentinians I've met, I'm surprised you guys can tell the gay ones apart without actually seeing them do it. The "gay marriage" thing may just be a ruse to make it possible to identify them publicly.

[DinoDoc]

Come on, there's a pretty big difference between it happening in places like Maine, Rhode Island, California and Utah.

If it had been a voter initiative, yes it would have been more interesting. As it is a judicial imposition, who cares what state it was in?

I'm somewhat surprised no one brought this up. Especially with DM making the sad desperate attempt at a polygamy joke. Or would this invite too many slippery slope comparisons?

[Boris Godunov]

We've had the whole polygamy argument here several times before. I don't see anything morally objectionable about polygamy in and of itself. The legal problem is that marriage in the U.S. is a two-person system by design. There are no mechanisms for incorporating more persons into the legal arrangement. There's a whole mess of laws, rights and benefits that rely on it being a two-person arrangement. Unlike same-sex marriages, which just involve changing some pronouns, polygamy is a fundamental sea change in how legally-recognized marriages would work. The logistics of it alone would be a nightmare.

[DinoDoc]

Supreme Court halts gay marriage in Utah

[Sava]

I heard some idiot out there was going on a hunger strike until gay marriage was banned. Good. If only all the other religious nut job bigots would starve themselves.

[Ben Kenobi]

[Ben Kenobi]

We've had the whole polygamy argument here several times before. I don't see anything morally objectionable about polygamy in and of itself. The legal problem is that marriage in the U.S. is a two-person system by design.

Reynolds makes it very clear that it's one man and one woman in explicit rejection of other systems of law - since the US runs on top of English Common Law.

There are no mechanisms for incorporating more persons into the legal arrangement.

I'm going to call bull**** on that. Reynolds explicitly lays it out why the definition is one man and one woman.

Unlike same-sex marriages, which just involve changing some pronouns

As opposed to changing a number?

, polygamy is a fundamental sea change in how legally-recognized marriages would work. The logistics of it alone would be a nightmare.

You're arguing against polygamy because of logistics?

Good luck getting anyone to fight for your marriage law against polygamy, Boris. If it's just a contract, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to guarantee 30 other people if you so desired. After all, that's all marriage is, right? A legal piece of meaningless paper.

You're not a bigot - right? If I love more than one person, I should be able to get married to all of them. Why not?

[Ben Kenobi]

Or would this invite too many slippery slope comparisons?

So far the 'slippery slope' is batting 1.000. Newsflash, when you're deliberately educating kindergarden children about the sin of heteronormativity - something we were promised would not happen, we can only conclude that all the gay rights folks are liars.

[Ban Kenobi]

They're only blocking further marriages while the state appeals the decision... I guess Ben is having a premature ejaculation.

[Ben Kenobi]

They're only blocking further marriages while the state appeals the decision... I guess Ben is having a premature ejaculation.

Right, so we find out now that one Obama nominee justice can't overturn a state amendment barring gay marriage. Pity. No wonder Obama panicked and invoked the nuclear option so he can ram all his nominees through.

[Ban Kenobi]

I won't even bother reading any Ben post that doesn't come in the form of a South Park clip.

[Dinner]

Supreme Court halts gay marriage in Utah

It's just a stay until the full court can review it.

[DinoDoc]

No, ****.