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    Sign language translator at Nelson Mandela's memorial was a FAKE: South Africa's deaf federation confirms his movements had 'no meaning'

    By Jill Reilly

    PUBLISHED: 06:12 EST, 11 December 2013 | UPDATED: 09:08 EST, 11 December 2013

    An interpreter who was seen by millions of television viewers worldwide translating Nelson Mandela's memorial service into sign language was a 'fake', according to South Africa's deaf federation.

    The unidentified man, who was broadcast standing alongside world leaders including US President Barack Obama, was making up his own signs, according to the Deaf Federation of South Africa.

    With the eyes of the world watching the FNB stadium in Johannesburg, the interpreter was 'moving his hands around but there was no meaning in what he used his hands for,' claimed Bruno Druchen, the federation's national director.

    The embarrassing claim comes after yesterday's ceremony which saw crowds in the third empty stadium boo the country's president Jacob Zuma.

    Three sign language experts said the man was not signing in South African or American sign languages.

    South African sign language covers all of the country's 11 official languages, according to the federation.
    South African parliament member Wilma Newhoudt-Druchen, a member of the ruling party who is deaf and who is married to Druchen, also said the man communicated nothing with his hand and arm movements.

    Nicole Du Toit, an official sign language interpreter who also watched the broadcast, said in a telephone interview that the man on stage purporting to sign was an embarrassment.
    'It was horrible, an absolute circus, really, really bad,' she said. 'Only he can understand those gestures.'

    Braam Jordaan, a deaf South African and board member of the World Deaf Federation, said he believes the interpreter was making up signs as he went along.

    'The structure of his hand, facial expressions and the body movements did not follow what the speaker was saying', Mr Jordaan told the SBS news website.

    'I was really upset and humiliated', he told the SBS news website, 'He made up his own signs.

    'What happened at the memorial service is truly disgraceful thing to see - it should not happen at all.

    'What happened today will be forever aligned with Nelson Mandela & Deaf Community, thanks to this fake interpreter.'

    The Limping Chicken, a leading UK news blog for the deaf, commented: 'The ‘interpreter’ signed in a way I’ve never seen before, a strange repetitive rhythm to his movements – his signs appearing to come in threes or fours, occasionally swinging his shoulders, as if he was signing along with an intermittent beat.

    'Most puzzlingly, the structure of his hand and body movements didn’t seem to change no matter what the speaker was saying.'

    According to tweeter @braamjordaan, 'He also ‘interpreted’ at the ANC elective conference in Mangaung last December. It is as if he came back with vengeance!'

    Delphin Hlungwane, an official South African sign language interpreter with DeafSA, said authorities were trying to track the man down.

    She said: 'There was zero percent accuracy. He couldn't even get the basics right. He couldn't even say thank you.

    'You're supposed to indicate with your facial expressions, even if it's not an exact sign. He didn't indicate that (booing of Jacob Zuma) at all. It just passed him by.

    'Nobody knows who he is. Even at this hour we still don't have his name.'

    Asked about the claim by The Associated Press, South Africa's government said it was preparing a statement.

    Jackson Mthembu, spokesman for the governing African National Congress party, declined to comment.

    'Government will be able to assist you,' Mthembu said.

    The man was standing on the stage during the televised event at the FNB stadium south of Johannesburg and was meant to be translating the proceedings for members of the deaf community.
    To us, it is the BEAST.

  • #2
    Bizarre. Embarrassing. Surreal.
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    • #3
      Thank goodness I:

      1, think Mandela was a POS and wouldn't be watching his funeral and
      2, don't understand sign language.
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      • #4
        Ah so you were the ******* who 1 starred the Mandela RIP thread. Wow, you really are a massive ****.

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        • #5
          Ah so you were the ******* who 1 starred the Mandela RIP thread. Wow, you really are a massive ****.
          There was a Mandela death thread?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
            Thank goodness I:

            1, think Mandela was a POS .
            Based on what ? That you called him a murderer and failed to provide any proof for your claim ? That despite fighting for the freedom of South Africa's black majority and being imprisoned for his struggle, he came out of prison and in a genuinely Christian way forgave those who had persecuted him ?

            Lesser people might have been consumed with bitterness and returned race hatred with hatred. He sat down to tea with the widow of apartheid Premier Hendrik Verwoerd and invited her to be part of a democratic South African future.
            Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

            ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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            • #7
              Based on what ?
              The court transcripts where he plead guilty to 153 counts of terrorism, including planting bombs which killed innocent civilians?

              That you called him a murderer and failed to provide any proof for your claim ?
              One count under the South African Suppression of Communism Act No. 44 of 1950, charging that the accused committed acts calculated to further the achievement of the objective of communism;

              • One count of contravening the South African Criminal Law Act (1953), which prohibits any person from soliciting or receiving any money or articles for the purpose of achieving organized defiance of laws and country; and

              • Two counts of sabotage, committing or aiding or procuring the commission of the following acts:

              1) The further recruitment of persons for instruction and training, both within and outside the Republic of South Africa, in:

              (a) the preparation, manufacture and use of explosives—for the purpose of committing acts of violence and destruction in the aforesaid Republic, (the preparation and manufacture of explosives, according to evidence submitted, included 210,000 hand grenades, 48,000 anti-personnel mines, 1,500 time devices, 144 tons of ammonium nitrate, 21.6 tons of aluminum powder and a ton of black powder);

              (b) the art of warfare, including guerrilla warfare, and military training generally for the purpose in the aforesaid Republic;

              (ii) Further acts of violence and destruction, (this includes 193 counts of terrorism committed between 1961 and 1963);

              (iii) Acts of guerrilla warfare in the aforesaid Republic;

              (iv) Acts of assistance to military units of foreign countries when involving the aforesaid Republic;

              (v) Acts of participation in a violent revolution in the aforesaid Republic, whereby the accused, injured, damaged, destroyed, rendered useless or unserviceable, put out of action, obstructed, with or endangered:

              (a) the health or safety of the public; (b) the maintenance of law and order;

              (c) the supply and distribution of light, power or fuel; (d) postal, telephone or telegraph installations; (e) the free movement of traffic on land; and (f) the property, movable or immovable, of other persons or of the state. Source: The State v. Nelson Mandela et al, Supreme Court of South Africa, Transvaal Provincial Division, 1963-1964, Indictment.

              That despite fighting for the freedom of South Africa's black majority and being imprisoned for his struggle, he came out of prison and in a genuinely Christian way forgave those who had persecuted him ?
              If I were to blow up 152 abortion clinics and then go to jail, would you be calling me an 'american freedom fighter?' If not, why not?

              Lesser people might have been consumed with bitterness and returned race hatred with hatred. He sat down to tea with the widow of apartheid Premier Hendrik Verwoerd and invited her to be part of a democratic South African future.
              I've done non-violent direct action. Mandela had the option of peace or violence. He chose violence.
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              • #8
                Ben is just trying to be an edgy far right winger. Please ignore him.

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                • #9
                  Ben is just trying to be an edgy far right winger. Please ignore him.
                  So only right wingers care that direct action confine itself to non-violence? Interesting argument. I was unaware that the school of Dr. King trained only conservatives.
                  Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                  "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ban Kenobi View Post
                    Ben is just trying to be an edgy far right winger. Please ignore him.
                    Yeah seriously. You could see him get excited when he heard that there was a Mandela RIP thread he could troll, and now he's in full swing and just begging like a little dog for some attention.

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                    • #11
                      Yeah seriously. You could see him get excited when he heard that there was a Mandela RIP thread he could troll, and now he's in full swing and just begging like a little dog for some attention.
                      Last I checked, the topic of this thread is, "Trolling deaf people". To my knowledge I am the only deaf person here.
                      Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                        The court transcripts where he plead guilty to 153 counts of terrorism, including planting bombs which killed innocent civilians?
                        Please reproduce the part of the transcripts where you say he admitted killing civilians (I very much doubt you're read them at all).

                        Oh, and what was he found guilty of in the end, despite the reams and reams of evidence produced by the apartheid regime ? Sabotage.

                        I've done non-violent direct action.
                        Oh wow. What, boring people to tears ? Standing around looking gormless ?

                        Mandela had the option of peace or violence.
                        Actually, the South African government had outlawed the ANC after said regime had killed 67 protestors at Sharpeville.

                        would you be calling me an 'american freedom fighter?
                        No.

                        If not, why not?
                        Aren't you still Canadian ? And what does abortion have to do with being American ? Nothing that I can see.
                        Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                        ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                        • #13
                          Please reproduce the part of the transcripts where you say he admitted killing civilians (I very much doubt you're read them at all).
                          I have read them. And the evidence is there, what he pled guilty to.

                          Oh, and what was he found guilty of in the end, despite the reams and reams of evidence produced by the apartheid regime ? Sabotage.
                          This is false. The charges above are what he was found guilty by his own admission.

                          I've done non-violent direct action. Oh wow. What, boring people to tears ? Standing around looking gormless ?
                          Are you saying you support clinic bombing?

                          Mandela had the option of peace or violence. Actually, the South African government had outlawed the ANC after said regime had killed 67 protestors at Sharpeville.
                          Yes, and? That still does not stop them from non-violent protest. It just means like other non-violent protesters, they will end up in jail. I know, and have worked with folks who have been arrested for non-violent protests, although I have not (yet), crossed that line myself.

                          would you be calling me an 'american freedom fighter? No.
                          Why not? I would be saving the lives of young American children were I to do so.

                          If not, why not? Aren't you still Canadian ? And what does abortion have to do with being American ? Nothing that I can see.
                          You said that Mandela was an African freedom fighter, because of whom he fought for. By bombing American clinics, I would be saving the lives of American children. Hence, an American freedom fighter.

                          If violence is the answer I cannot see why you could condemn abortion clinic bombings while supporting Mandela. Unless of course you believe that unborn children were not fully persons. Then how does this differ from Apartheid, which argued that Black Africans were not fully persons.
                          Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                          "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                          • #14
                            when i heard about this, i have to confess that i laughed, a lot.
                            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                            • #15
                              I want to hear from the person that hired him for the job.
                              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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