Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny
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The Scots are like a lot of small states in federations - subsidised by the bigger states while resenting it all the while and nursing wistful dreams of independence.
Tasmania is like that. Except Tasmania is so wildly subsidised they are smart enough to know they need the mainland, especially to fund their social benefits.Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostOf course it depends on the cost and availability of child care. As it should. Dude, if it would cost more for child care than for the parent to take care of her kid, SHE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF HER KID. That would be economically most efficient.
it's like objecting to providing a subsidy for public transport on the basis that it means buying everyone a car, instead of the real proposal for providing a bus service."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse View PostThe Scots are like a lot of small states in federations - subsidised by the bigger states while resenting it all the while and nursing wistful dreams of independence."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Originally posted by C0ckney View Postonce again, England doesn't subsidize Scotland. I've already posted the figures in this thread.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by C0ckney View Postonce again, england doesn't subsidise scotland. i've already posted the figures in this thread.
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostThey claim they aren't going to raise tax, and are going to cut corporation tax.
There are very real issues and not addressing them is an attempt to decieve the Scottish public. What about Schengen? What about teh UK only vetos that are going to be lost?
The Scottish don't need us to 'go along with it' if the BoE are going to continue to control the financial levers, but the SNP are claiming that they will retain influence on the BoE which is a complete lie. If they want to use a currency that they have no control over and which the BoE could change interest rates without any regard to the Scottish economy, then they're more than welcome, but they need to be truthful about that.
So basically you think Scotland should have no global defense ability and just take advantage of its neighbours defending it by proxy without any Scottish contribution?
what the SNP are proposing seems more than adequate for scotland's defence needs."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostDepends. All the parts of the union have been running deficits for quite a while now, would an independent Scotland receive the same credit rating and loan terms as the UK as a whole?"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View PostIt's not just the ratio of workers to the (increasing) raw numbers of pensioners that poses the problem.
There's also the unprecedentedly and high and rising lifespans. And also the unprecedentedly generous terms (set to outstrip wages and inflation).
That escalation measure is more generous than I've seen on the current conditions of any final salary pension scheme. The fact that "we've always managed it before" is no guarantee of future succes, particularly with all those unprecedented factors coming into play.
it's a complicated issue, and the delay in raising the retirement age, something i think must happen, is concerning. there are also related issues like long term care which need to be addressed."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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A bunch of half-naked guys covered in blue paint and waving around swords would be enough to defend Scotland from her enemies.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man
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Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
as i understand, this is for the state pension, which is fairly modest. anyone who has a final salary pension will be receiving considerably more.
It guarantees inflation-busting returns every year, regardless of economic conditions and regardless of market performance. How long do you think that could be sustained for?The genesis of the "evil Finn" concept- Evil, evil Finland
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Originally posted by pchang View PostA bunch of half-naked guys covered in blue paint and waving around swords would be enough to defend Scotland from her enemies.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View PostYou're misunderstanding my point. I used final salary schemes as a reference point because they have the most generous escalation terms people could realistically expect to get (typically RPI or CPI to a max of 5%, with 2.5% max becoming increasingly the norm). This mooted Scottish state pension scheme has more generous escalation terms even than that.
It guarantees inflation-busting returns every year, regardless of economic conditions and regardless of market performance. How long do you think that could be sustained for?
1. Overview
The basic State Pension is a regular payment from the government that you can get when you reach State Pension age.
To get it you must have paid or been credited with National Insurance contributions.
The most you can currently get is £110.15 per week.
The basic State Pension increases every year by whichever is the highest:
earnings - the average percentage growth in wages (in Great Britain)
prices - the percentage growth in prices in the UK as measured by the Consumer Prices Index (CPI)
2.5%
Pensioners’ incomes protected with the triple lock so that pensions
increase by either inflation, earnings, or 2.5 per cent, whichever is highest"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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oh, there is this as well
ensure that from 6 April 2016, new pensioners will receive a Scottish single-tier pension, set at the rate of £160 per week – £1.10 a week higher than the rate currently expected for the UK"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Originally posted by C0ckney View Postonce again, england doesn't subsidise scotland. i've already posted the figures in this thread.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.
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