Scottish "Independence" manifesto

[Lorizael]

Exactly.

[C0ckney]

it's funny that you two see a plan to provide child care and automatically think of a nanny, as if the plan were to hire a nanny for every family in scotland.

honestly, try to think of a way that child care could be provided in a cheaper way than hiring a nanny for every family in scotland and then get back to me.

[DaShi]

We should ban parents from raising their own children, just like we should ban private schools and homeschooling. After all they might raise their kids the wrong way or teach them the wrong things. Only government-licensed nannies and teachers should take care of kids, anyone else maybe unqualified.

I would offer an option for biological parent to raise their own children. They would just have to go through the same hoops as parents looking to adopt children.

[Hauldren Collider]

it's funny that you two see a plan to provide child care and automatically think of a nanny, as if the plan were to hire a nanny for every family in scotland.

honestly, try to think of a way that child care could be provided in a cheaper way than hiring a nanny for every family in scotland and then get back to me.

Don't be stupid. Obviously nanny, in context, could also mean daycare. All of the same principles apply. If the costs of daycare plus the cost of not spending as much time with your kid are less than the cost of missing work you will put your kid in daycare.

[Ban Kenobi]

Also, what is it with independence movements and candyland economics? Do they really think universal day care is a good idea?

It is if you want people to have kids who will support the current generation in old age.

[DaShi]

HC needs to keep poor and middle class kids at a disadvantage. Otherwise, he wouldn't be able to compete with them.

[Ban Kenobi]

Don't be stupid. Obviously nanny, in context, could also mean daycare. All of the same principles apply. If the costs of daycare plus the cost of not spending as much time with your kid are less than the cost of missing work you will put your kid in daycare.

The parents are only comparing the cost of daycare with the private cost of missing work. That is, the income from work minus the taxes they pay. Logically if the government does not subsidize daycare at all then the number of parents who choose to stay home with the kids will exceed the socially optimal level.

[C0ckney]

Don't be stupid. Obviously nanny, in context, could also mean daycare. All of the same principles apply. If the costs of daycare plus the cost of not spending as much time with your kid are less than the cost of missing work you will put your kid in daycare.

that obviously depends on the cost and availability of child care. at the risk of stating the obvious, there is a massive cost difference between providing a nanny for each family and providing a centre which caters for many children.

[Aeson]

Any woman whose value to the economy is great enough that releasing her labor into the economy via child care is a net positive can already afford it.

Like this is a plainly obvious fact. If what you're producing is more valuable than taking care of your child you can afford to pay someone to take care of your child.

Now make the same argument for increasing top marginal tax rates and see what aspects of human nature you're overlooking.

[Hauldren Collider]

The parents are only comparing the cost of daycare with the private cost of missing work. That is, the income from work minus the taxes they pay. Logically if the government does not subsidize daycare at all then the number of parents who choose to stay home with the kids will exceed the socially optimal level.

This is ****ing incoherent and also wrong.

[Hauldren Collider]

that obviously depends on the cost and availability of child care. at the risk of stating the obvious, there is a massive cost difference between providing a nanny for each family and providing a centre which caters for many children.

Of course it depends on the cost and availability of child care. As it should. Dude, if it would cost more for child care than for the parent to take care of her kid, SHE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF HER KID. That would be economically most efficient.

[Ban Kenobi]

This is ****ing incoherent and also wrong.

Externalities are neither incoherent nor wrong.

[Hauldren Collider]

There's no ****ing externality to child care. Do you even know what that is? Are you confusing that with the lack of a tax wedge for household goods?

[Ban Kenobi]

There's no ****ing externality to child care. Do you even know what that is? Are you confusing that with the lack of a tax wedge for household goods?

Income taxes paid are a positive externality resulting from the decision to earn income. That is why it makes sense for the state to ensure access to child care so that more parents will get jobs.

[Hauldren Collider]

Income taxes paid are a positive externality resulting from the decision to earn income. That is why it makes sense for the state to ensure access to child care so that more parents will get jobs.

That is not an externality. That is actually a deadweight loss.