The friends of Ben thread

[Ben Kenobi]

we're waiting for your friends to show up Ben

Right. Lemme fire up the old Kenobi signal and tell them that Apolyton needs them at 5am on a Sunday morning.

[Nikolai]

<-- friend of Ben's.

[Dauphin]

I guess my point is that you can't condone certain perspectives and disallow other perspectives. Not in the USA.
Let's look at flag burning. Someone burns a flag and I have to just watch, unless I want to go to jail. As despicable as I find it, they have the right.

Sloww, sometimes you really impress me. This would be one of those times so long as the 'unless I want to go to jail' bit isn't the thing making you respect the right, but rather your innate belief in having such a right.

[Dauphin]

<-- friend of Ben's.

He's not yours. Whatever he may tell you.

[Sava]

I guess my point is that you can't condone certain perspectives and disallow other perspectives. Not in the USA.
Let's look at flag burning. Someone burns a flag and I have to just watch, unless I want to go to jail. As despicable as I find it, they have the right.

Let's consider Mr Fun. I've stated on more than one occasion that I find his flamboyancy offensive. He still has the right, just as I have the right to find it offensive.

You seem fixated on this HUR HUR AMERICA viewpoint.

Let me be clear about this, since you have trouble understanding.

Nobody is saying anyone's rights should be taken away.

[giblets]

Ben Kenobi should be sent to a lunatic asylum. Does that infringe on his rights? Oh well.

[Elok]

I think I've said this before, but for me at least, the issue with Ben is not his point of view but his persistent bad faith in advancing it. He employs blatantly fallacious tactics, refuses to acknowledge his errors when they are pointed out (by numerous people), reiterates refuted arguments two pages later when he thinks we've forgotten, moves goalposts, redefines terms...in general, he is simply dishonest. There are other people with ugly opinions on here, but none so persistently underhanded as BK.

[Elok]

Oh, and while I don't think DFG deserves a Nobel prize or anything, I also don't think he deserves the level of contempt we show him. He's basically David Floyd, only less charming.

[Ben Kenobi]

He's not yours. Whatever he may tell you.

In the face of contrary evidence grab whatever desperate thread you can.

[Ben Kenobi]

I also don't think he deserves the level of contempt we show him.

People attack him because they figure they will get what they want - him banned. They have been conditioned to attack, attack, attack and eventually they get rewarded for it. Rewarded enough times and you'll see conditioned behaviour like you see here in response to his posts. Everyone 'knows' DFG is evil and join in on it.

That's basically all there is to the whole DFG saga. If he just posted, "that's just your opinion man", to every single attack, it would die.

[Ben Kenobi]

the issue with Ben is not his point of view but his persistent bad faith in advancing it. He employs blatantly fallacious tactics, refuses to acknowledge his errors when they are pointed out (by numerous people), reiterates refuted arguments two pages later when he thinks we've forgotten, moves goalposts, redefines terms...in general, he is simply dishonest. There are other people with ugly opinions on here, but none so persistently underhanded as BK.

This is crap. Want me to strip this apart bit by bit?

One, people hate me not because of 'persistant bad faith'. You're asserting I don't really believe that the Roman Catholic church is right about matters of faith and morals. Really, Elok?

People hate me because I consistantly stand up for the Church and fight. If I didn't fight, folks wouldn't hate me nearly so much. It's the persistant defense of the Catholic church that pisses people off - they want their forum where they can hate-on the Church without me getting all up in their biz. And it makes them angry when they come here - post the usual crap about the Church and end up having to defend it.

I'm articulate enough that folks realize that yes, I actually believe what I say and that I can make solid arguments. This pisses them off even more when they have to engage.

That's basically it in a nutshell. I fight, I'm determined, I'm persistant and that's what pisses people off who hate the Catholic church.

[DaShi]

You're too dumb to even understand why people hate you.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're too dumb to even understand why people hate you.

Smart enough to know that you use the same tactics everywhere. This thread is about bullying and shunning me. Nothing more.

You're hoping that you can 'expose' and shame my friends into not liking me anymore so you can isolate me here. Just like a pack of wolves. You can't take on the herd but you can try to take me down individually. So you have to chase away my friends first and then go after me.

It really is very simple what you are doing here and why.

Dauphin's post is the absolute classic. Imagine someone who hates you coming up and saying, to your friends - to your face where you can hear that 'this person is not your friend'.

What would you think of such a person, Da Shi? Would you consider them a decent person or a piece of ****?

I actually don't think Dauphin's hatred is personal - it's ideological, and as long as I stand up for the things he hates, I become his enemy.

It probably especially rankles him that I was polite and kind to him and his partner and that professionally, my conduct with him was unimpeachable. As well as his now association with my work thanks to her assistance. It makes him look like a **** for his posts here.

Same with a few folks here, that I'm not going to name.

[giblets]

I think I've said this before, but for me at least, the issue with Ben is not his point of view but his persistent bad faith in advancing it. He employs blatantly fallacious tactics, refuses to acknowledge his errors when they are pointed out (by numerous people), reiterates refuted arguments two pages later when he thinks we've forgotten, moves goalposts, redefines terms...in general, he is simply dishonest. There are other people with ugly opinions on here, but none so persistently underhanded as BK.

He'll probably ignore everything you just said and claim that if you don't like him it's just because you hate the Catholic church.

[Elok]

Yeah, he doesn't really do fine distinctions too well, either. Dislike for his hyperconservative conception of Catholicism, for example, must equal opposition to the whole RCC, while all Muslims on earth, in spite of the frequently-violent conflicts between them, are necessarily identical (and evil). Say what you like about MrFun, he's at least aware that not all Democrats think like he does, and that some GOP members are not part of the Tea Party.