Republicans have once again demonstrated that they are the party...

[MikeH]

Our lives are better though.

[PLATO]

London is still the financial capital of the world, and the nice deal we just signed with China should help that continue for quite some time. Enjoy your declining superpower status btw. We've been there and it hurts, but you'll get over it.



I always suspected Aeson was a Ben Kenobi DL, and now we have the proof. No-one else could **** up basic history that badly.

"Deal with China" Hopefully you begin to understand. While China's political system and freedoms suck, how can one argue with their economic results? I don't see them using budget deficiets to obtain one of the fastest growing standards of living in the world. Meanwhile, they keep buying up the U.S. and Europe, sustaining our downfall by buying our debt and the idiot democrats would let the entire economy collapse before they would talk one minute about HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM. Stupid ass Kool-Aid drinkers!

[Aeson]

I always suspected Aeson was a Ben Kenobi DL ...

You suspect a lot of stupid stuff, so that's no surprise

[kentonio]

There is no doubt we are a declining power. Thanks for making my point. The Eurozone needs to look to fixing itself before any "stable" economic partners will want to have more to do with you other than shoring up all the failing economies. The only reason they do that is to protect all the companies they have bought because the stupid economic policies the Eurozone follows. It is retarded that people keep defending these economic models. One more step toward obscurity for Europe. One more step for the U.S. China is certainly smiling today.

You people have been bleating on for decades about how socialized systems are ruinous and unsustainable, and how America would be idiotic to have anything like universal healthcare. You know how long we're had the NHS now? 67 years, and yet we were floating along fine until the global economic crisis which ****ed everyone. How many times does it have to be repeated that under your private system you pay more than we do under our socialized one and for worse outcomes?

Perhaps if you actually bothered looking with an open mind at the various socialized systems around the world you might actual realize how stupid it sounds when you decry this stuff. You've got a massive prison population, ****ty healthcare and next to no worker rights for the 99% of the population who do actually have to work for a living. Yet despite this you sit there and tell countries who do all of those things better than they are failures, despite half of them having lower unemployment and far lower debt levels than you!

[PLATO]

Our lives are better though.

Of course...any ones life will be better if they borrow to improve it. The problem is that someday...THE MONEY HAS TO BE PAID BACK. Why is that so hard a concept to understand?

We have already seen the beginning of problems in Greece, Italy, and Spain. It will only get worse over time.

The idiot Kool-Aid drinkers keep kicking the can down the road and won't solve problems there either.

[kentonio]

"Deal with China" Hopefully you begin to understand. While China's political system and freedoms suck, how can one argue with their economic results? I don't see them using budget deficiets to obtain one of the fastest growing standards of living in the world. Meanwhile, they keep buying up the U.S. and Europe, sustaining our downfall by buying our debt and the idiot democrats would let the entire economy collapse before they would talk one minute about HOW TO FIX THE PROBLEM. Stupid ass Kool-Aid drinkers!

You need to learn more about China. I suspect you still see it as some large version of North Korea, and if that's the case then you are very, very far from the mark.

[Guynemer]

Outcomes between the US and the UK are fairly comparable, actually. Of course, we do pay ****tons more to reach those outcomes, and other countries with "socialized health care" have significantly better outcomes than both of us, and still at a fraction of the cost.

The problem isn't "Obamacare", necessarily. The problem is that health care is 20% of our economy for no ****ing good reason, and "Obamacare" does sweet ****-all to solve that problem.

[regexcellent]

Medicare is the entire reason healthcare is so much of our economy. And it's also the entire reason why healthcare is so expensive.

[Aeson]

I agree...mostly. It was after WWII that they began adopting the kind of economic policies that the U.S. has now adopted. Thanks for making my point.

Britain, France and Germany went from superpowers (of the day) to speedbumps between their respective superpower friends. It wasn't due to economic policies ...

[DinoDoc]

Obama with his "my way or the highway" attitude would have let us default for sure before giving one inch on his pet little project to govermentalize 20% of the economy. Yes...the Republicans are the grownups here.

Wouldn't the grown up thing to have done here been to have let that go through and preserve your powder for the debt ceiling where public support had been aligning behind increased spending controls? This would have had the benefit of not distracting coverage from the debacle of the O'care roll out.

[Guynemer]

Medicare is the entire reason healthcare is so much of our economy. And it's also the entire reason why healthcare is so expensive.

[PLATO]

You people have been bleating on for decades about how socialized systems are ruinous and unsustainable, and how America would be idiotic to have anything like universal healthcare. You know how long we're had the NHS now? 67 years, and yet we were floating along fine until the global economic crisis which ****ed everyone. How many times does it have to be repeated that under your private system you pay more than we do under our socialized one and for worse outcomes?

Perhaps if you actually bothered looking with an open mind at the various socialized systems around the world you might actual realize how stupid it sounds when you decry this stuff. You've got a massive prison population, ****ty healthcare and next to no worker rights for the 99% of the population who do actually have to work for a living. Yet despite this you sit there and tell countries who do all of those things better than they are failures, despite half of them having lower unemployment and far lower debt levels than you!

I am not arguing against socialized systems. I am arguing against unsustainable systems. Where do you think the economic collapse started? Let's not look to hard at just the U.S. on that one. HSBC and Credit Suisse had two of the largest hits to them of any financial institutions in the world. It is obviously not just the U.S. "lack of regulatory environment", but an entire economic mindset.

I hate to say it, but Clinton was the last President who had a clue about the budget. In 2000 the deficiet was $5,6 Trillion. Today it is over $16 Trillion. No fool should think this does not need addressing and addressing right NOW!

[kentonio]

Outcomes between the US and the UK are fairly comparable, actually. Of course, we do pay ****tons more to reach those outcomes, and other countries with "socialized health care" have significantly better outcomes than both of us, and still at a fraction of the cost.

I posted a ton of stuff on it a while back showing the available data, and while you won handily on cancer care, there were clear leads for the UK in most other stuff. Then again we suck compared to some other countries, so there stuff for us all to learn from.

[PLATO]

You need to learn more about China. I suspect you still see it as some large version of North Korea, and if that's the case then you are very, very far from the mark.

Where in the world do you get that from what I said?

[DinoDoc]

Medicare is the entire reason healthcare is so much of our economy. And it's also the entire reason why healthcare is so expensive.

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