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    I found this article an interesting read, sharing it to you.


    I soon realised that the humanitarian protestations of Marxists were a mask for an urge to domination


    By Theodore Dalrymple


    4:27PM BST 05 Oct 2013
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    Edward Miliband and I have something (not much) in common: we both had Marxist fathers. In my case, however, it turned me against all that my father stood, or pretended to stand, for. I saw that his concern for the fate of humanity in general was inconsistent with his contempt for the actual people by whom he was surrounded, and his inability to support relations of equality with others. I concluded that the humanitarian protestations of Marxists were a mask for an urge to domination.

    In addition to the emotional dishonesty of Marxism, I was impressed by its limitless resources of intellectual dishonesty. Having grown up with the Little Lenin Library and (God help us!) the Little Stalin Library, I quickly grasped that the dialectic could prove anything you wanted it to prove, for example, that killing whole categories of people was a requirement of elementary decency.

    My father only followed the intellectual fashion of his youth, when the catastrophe of the Great War had been followed by economic problems on a vast scale. That the world urgently needed improvement was obvious. But Marxism was not just an economic doctrine showing the right policy to follow in hard circumstances; it was a religion. The crisis of the Twenties and Thirties was an apocalypse that would finally lead Man, after the revolution, to a heaven on earth, in which all Man’s contradictory desires would be resolved in eternal bliss. No more hatred, no more jostling for position: Man would become selfless as well as permanently contented. Compared with this, the Book of Revelation is pure social realism.

    Marxism was also replete with heresies and excommunications that tended to become fatal whenever its adherents reached power. There was a reason for this. Marx said that it is not consciousness that determines being, but being that determines consciousness. In other words, ideas do not have to be argued against in a civilised way, but rather the social and economic position of those who hold them must be analysed. So, disagreement is the same as class enmity – and we all know what should be done with class enemies.

    No field of intellectual life in Britain was untouched by it. The great crystallographer, JD Bernal, the biochemist, Joseph Needham, the historian of the English civil war, Christopher Hill, the economist Maurice Dobb, the art historian Anthony Blunt, were all Marxists. The barrister, DN Pritt, ferociously defended the judicial rectitude of the Moscow show trials, a defence that would be comic were it not so vile.

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    A genre of apologetic literature grew up in the Twenties and Thirties. I have a collection of it; perhaps my favourite is Soviet Russia Fights Neurosis. How could intelligent people not have laughed? They didn’t laugh, though; they believed it, because they wanted to. What they did not want to believe was the abundant evidence that, from the start, the Bolshevik Revolution was a human catastrophe. Contrary to what many think, Solzhenitsyn revealed nothing in the Seventies that had not been known from the Twenties on. I have a contemporary account of the famine in the Ukraine, complete with photographs of piles of cadavers. Intellectuals devoted great dialectical effort to showing either that the evidence was false or that its meaning was different from that given it by “bourgeois” people.
    If love is never having to say you’re sorry, being an intellectual is never having to say that you are wrong. To the end of his days the historian Eric Hobsbawm, whose twisted mouth was somehow an appropriate physical characteristic for so dialectical a materialist, and who never refused any honour offered him by the system he affected to despise, could not admit that supporting an ideology responsible for the deaths of scores of millions was an error of judgment so colossal that it amounted to moral blindness at best and moral monstrosity at worst.
    Soon after the fall of the Berlin Wall, a book was published in Italy about the psychotherapy necessary for Italian communists whom the dissolution of the Soviet bloc had deprived of their cherished ideals. These were communists who previously had claimed that the eastern bloc was not really Marxist at all. Why, then, should they have felt disheartened? Only Marxist dialectitians, such as Mr Miliband’s father, could explain.


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  • #2
    Unfortunately my Thanks have timed out. Thanks for sharing this, Nik.
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    • #3
      I can't help feeling that this would be substantially more relevant if we actually had a single active communist poster left.

      EDIT: Nothing about this post should be interpreted as nostalgia, liking, or tolerance for Agathon.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Elok View Post
        EDIT: Nothing about this post should be interpreted as nostalgia, liking, or tolerance for Agathon.
        We've had more communists here than just Agathon.
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        • #5
          Yes, but I don't recall any of the others being particularly objectionable. Chegitz was a bit out there sometimes, but not too bad. And I remember Spiffor as an affable sort.
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          • #6
            Comrade Tassadar (sp?) and Urban Ranger were pretty big on communism.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Elok View Post
              I can't help feeling that this would be substantially more relevant if we actually had a single active communist poster left.

              EDIT: Nothing about this post should be interpreted as nostalgia, liking, or tolerance for Agathon.
              Nice Edit.

              Maybe you should make a thread on how evil Agathon was.
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              • #8
                I concluded that the humanitarian protestations of Marxists were a mask for an urge to domination.
                Whereas the humanitarian protestations of religionistas and capitalists are masks for fleecing people of their money. Sometimes the two combine, in those ghastly American teeth and tithe televangelical churches.

                It never ceases to amaze me that those kind of preachers who routinely proclaim their ability to heal the seriously ill aren't offering their services free in charity hospitals- or in the developing world.


                And no, I'm not now or ever have been a Marxist....
                Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by molly bloom View Post
                  It never ceases to amaze me that those kind of preachers who routinely proclaim their ability to heal the seriously ill aren't offering their services free in charity hospitals- or in the developing world.
                  Probably because you need to be raving lunatic religionista to recive the blessing

                  Btw, if BBC takes up "Broen II", don't watch it - it's filled with things like teenagers chained to each other in a empty coaster hitting Øresunsbron, infested with the plague, random poison killings, exploding cars and gas trucks, teacher/pupil lesbian sex, children setting fire to themself, faked mass suicides etc. Though, Saga is herself, and there are some nice areial shots of the region

                  Edit: Maybe it isn't that bad after all - that is from the first three episodes (3 hours) and a typical american movie would have crammed all that into the first fifteen minutes.
                  Last edited by BlackCat; October 8, 2013, 08:13.
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                  • #10
                    Unbelievable!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                      Probably because you need to be raving lunatic religionista to recive the blessing
                      Aye, true. What Nikolai isn't getting is that an election is looming in the U.K. and the Tory Party's attack dogs on the Daily Mail and Torygraph are busily assassinating the character of the leader of the opposition's father- by any means necessary. It involved a Daily Mail 'journalist' gatecrashing a memorial service for Milliband's uncle, too...

                      All most unpleasant.
                      Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                      ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                      • #12
                        I agree, it's terrible. But then it's been such a hatchet job that he will be gaining a lot of sympathy outside of the converted that are already being preached to. His dignified response is likely to have the opposite effect from the one desired by the Daily Hate Mail.

                        Even I've stuck up for him on several occasions and I don't even like the guy.
                        Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                        • #13
                          EDIT: Nothing about this post should be interpreted as nostalgia, liking, or tolerance for Agathon.
                          Agathon was amazing. We need more commie posters like him.
                          Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by molly bloom View Post
                            Aye, true. What Nikolai isn't getting is that an election is looming in the U.K. and the Tory Party's attack dogs on the Daily Mail and Torygraph are busily assassinating the character of the leader of the opposition's father- by any means necessary. It involved a Daily Mail 'journalist' gatecrashing a memorial service for Milliband's uncle, too...

                            All most unpleasant.
                            Been down with a nasty attack of the flu for almost four days, so haven't paid much attention to news. Though, catching up, I agree that some "journalists" need to be flogged/skinned publicly, and this seems to be appopriate here.
                            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                            Steven Weinberg

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                            • #15
                              I miss Spiffor, UR, chegitz and Agathon.

                              The good old days.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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