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    The man that built the army that defeated the west....

    Vo Nguyen Giap, the Vietnamese military commander and national folk hero who organized the army that defeated the French and then the Americans in 30 years of Southeast Asian warfare, is dead. That war ended in 1975 when the last remaining U.S. military forces evacuated Saigon, leaving behind a war-torn and battle-scarred nation, united under Communist rule.

    He died Oct. 4 in a hospital in Hanoi, a government official told the Associated Press. He was 102. No cause of death was immediately reported.

    Gen. Giap was the last survivor in a triumvirate of revolutionary leaders who fought France’s colonial forces and then the United States to establish a Vietnam free of Western domination. With the Vietnamese Communist leader Ho Chi Minh, who died in 1969, and former prime minister Pham Van Dong, who died in 2000, Gen. Giap was venerated in his homeland as one of the founding fathers of his country. To military scholars around the world, he was one of the 20th century’s leading practitioners of modern revolutionary guerrilla warfare.

    From a ragtag band of 34 men assembled in a forest in northern Vietnam in December 1944, Gen. Giap built the fighting unit that became the Vietnam People’s Army. At the beginning, its entire supply of weapons consisted of two revolvers, one light machine gun, 17 rifles and 14 flintlocks, some of them dating to the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05, said Cecil B. Currey, Gen. Giap’s biographer.

    But the original 34 men took a solemn oath to fight to the death for a Vietnam independent of foreign rule, and they promised not to help or cooperate with colonial or any other foreign authorities. By August 1945, when the surrender of Japan ended World War II, they had become an army of 5,000, equipped with American weapons supplied by the U.S. Office of Strategic Services, the precursor of the CIA, to use against the Japanese who had occupied Vietnam.

    For almost three decades, Gen. Giap led his army in battle against better-supplied, better-equipped and better-fed enemies. In 1954, he effectively ended more than 70 years of French colonial rule in Indochina, dealing a humiliating defeat to a French garrison in a 55-day siege of the mountain-ringed outpost at Dien Bien Phu. To millions of Vietnamese, this was more than a military victory. It was a moral and psychological triumph over a hated colonial oppressor, and it earned Gen. Giap the status of a national legend.

    Twenty-one years later, on April 30, 1975, came the fall of Saigon, the capital of South Vietnam. This ended a prolonged and bitter war between Vietnamese communists, based in the north, and the U.S.-supported government of South Vietnam, which was based in Saigon and backed by the military might of the world’s greatest superpower.

    In an internal power struggle three years earlier, Gen. Giap was replaced as field commander of the communist forces, and in 1975 he watched from the sidelines as the army he created and nurtured took the enemy capital. Nevertheless, 25 years later, he would recall the fall of Saigon as the “happiest moment in this short life of mine.”
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  • #2
    At 102, no cause of death is really necessary.
    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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    • #3
      Yes, because the life of people that old isn't valuable.
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      • #4
        Good riddance!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
          Good riddance!
          i would have thought that, as an american, you would appreciate a man who loved his country and fought successfully to rid it of foreign rule.
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          • #6
            anyway, a great man passes. it's not everyone that can they say that they played a major part in humbling the most powerful country on earth.
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            • #7
              Which explains why Cockney loves George Washington.
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              • #8
                there's no denying that he was a great man.
                "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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                • #9
                  It seems odd for a Brit to denounce Americans for hubris, especially in Vietnam, given that it was never an American colony.

                  You should talk to some of my Vietnamese students and ask them what they think.
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                  • #10
                    From Giap's perspective, we were simply a foreign invader in need of repulse. Our obsession with communism was none of his concern; indeed, if we'd had the sense to bend a little on the diplomacy front, we'd have had Vietnam as an ally (communist or not) without firing a shot.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                      i would have thought that, as an american, you would appreciate a man who loved his country and fought successfully to rid it of foreign rule.
                      American exceptionalism.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                        Good riddance!
                        Really? Vietnam ended almost 40 years ago. You got some wounds you're dealing with?

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                        Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap has passed away - brilliant military strategist who once told me that we were an "honorable enemy"
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Elok View Post
                          From Giap's perspective, we were simply a foreign invader in need of repulse. Our obsession with communism was none of his concern; indeed, if we'd had the sense to bend a little on the diplomacy front, we'd have had Vietnam as an ally (communist or not) without firing a shot.

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                          This.
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                          • #14
                            Maybe reg is young enough that he hasnt developed perspective yet.
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                            • #15
                              reg is a twerp
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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