Canadian Born Patriot dominates senate in 4th longest filibuster ever!

[Dinner]

And it was disavowed by a majority as well.

Not until after the civil war. Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was extremely unpopular and even he admitted only about 1/3rd of the northern population actually supported ending slavery at that time. He was way out in front of public opinion originally but he successfully sold ending slavery as a moral imparative and thus gave the war a higher meaning. It also, eventually, practically killed the anti-war movement which was running high (I forget his name but a former general ran against Lincoln on a platform of ending the war and letting the south go) but Lincoln changed the meaning of the war from a war to prevent southern succession to a war to end slavery. Many people wavered on the former but eventually came around to believing the later was a worthy cause.

[Dinner]

I live in one with pistol registration. It ****ing sucks and is pointless.

It most certainly is not pointless as it as a major resource for solving crimes. That's besides the point though because you claimed the courts hadn't tested it one way or the other and that clearly isn't the case because several states DO have registration laws and they HAVE been upheld by the courts as perfectly legal.

[DinoDoc]

Bull****,

Bottom line is, do you believe your government represents you? Would a governmental attack on the rights of a minority of the population succeed if a majority of the population was against it? The bottom line is that the form of government we have when it is working correctly exists to put brakes on the will of the majority to ensure it doesn't run roughshod over the rights of the minority. This hiding behind majoritarianism is disgusting.

your argument would have made the abolition of slavery impossible because apparently a majority deciding something in the constitution is wrong is not grounds for changing it.

You are aware that there exists a Constitutional Amendment Process, yes? If people want to repeal parts of the BIll of Rights or otherwise change the Constitution, they are free to do so. The blueprint for it is in black and white.

[Dinner]

And DD is still babbling nonsense about common sense measures some how being unconstitutional even though the courts long ago ruled them constitutional. Just shut up already.

[kentonio]

The bottom line is that the form of government we have when it is working correctly exists to put brakes on the will of the majority to ensure it doesn't run roughshod over the rights of the minority. This hiding behind majoritarianism is disgusting.

You are aware that there exists a Constitutional Amendment Process, yes? If people want to repeal parts of the BIll of Rights or otherwise change the Constitution, they are free to do so. The blueprint for it is in black and white.

So now please explain how a registration of guns is in any way a threat, given that if the constitution was changed to amend the second amendment, it would have had to pass though this wonderfully clear blueprint and would therefore be a completely legitimate change which any democratically minded American would be obliged to comply with?

[kentonio]

The bottom line is that the form of government we have when it is working correctly exists to put brakes on the will of the majority to ensure it doesn't run roughshod over the rights of the minority. This hiding behind majoritarianism is disgusting.

You are aware that there exists a Constitutional Amendment Process, yes? If people want to repeal parts of the BIll of Rights or otherwise change the Constitution, they are free to do so. The blueprint for it is in black and white.

So now please explain how a registration of guns is in any way a threat, given that if the constitution was changed to amend the second amendment, it would have had to pass though this wonderfully clear blueprint and would therefore be a completely legitimate change which any democratically minded American would be obliged to comply with?

[DinoDoc]

So now please explain how a registration of guns is in any way a threat, given that if the constitution was changed to amend the second amendment, it would have had to pass though this wonderfully clear blueprint and would therefore be a completely legitimate change which any democratically minded American would be obliged to comply with?

Why don't we ask Canada how well their attempt at a registry worked out for them? Trudeau calls long-gun registry 'a failure' Also I've already linked to a concrete example within the US showing why I think a nationwide registry is DOA politically.

[kentonio]

Why don't we ask Canada how well their attempt at a registry worked out for them? Trudeau calls long-gun registry 'a failure' Also I've already linked to a concrete example within the US showing why I think a nationwide registry is DOA politically.

So basically all this stuff about the 'tyranny of the majority' is actually bull****, and now you're moving the goalposts onto something else? I notice you use Canada as an example of failed gun registration btw and ignore all the other countries that do register their guns. Why is that?

[DinoDoc]

So basically all this stuff about the 'tyranny of the majority' is actually bull****,

Registration lists have led to gun confiscation in Australia, Bermuda, Cuba, Germany, Great Britain, Greece, Ireland, Jamaica, Soviet Georgia and other countries. It has also happened here and I've already linked to one example of that in this thread.

[notyoueither]

Why don't we ask Canada how well their attempt at a registry worked out for them? Trudeau calls long-gun registry 'a failure' Also I've already linked to a concrete example within the US showing why I think a nationwide registry is DOA politically.

That was a monumental clusterfvck involving incompetence and sabotage.

It could be done by requiring registration at point of sale. That would result in a large amount of pre-registry guns though.

[Dinner]

So... As usual DD is full of ****? That's not surprising but I guess it is good to know he is still in pure form.

[notyoueither]

Large numbers of people were never convinced it was needed and some or many of them were hostile to it and fed all sorts of bull**** into the system. Most of the bureaucrats who were staffing it had very little knowledge of guns and the result was a huge mess.

He is right in the sense that it was a political failure in Canada, and it would likely be worse in the US.

[Wezil]

I live in one with pistol registration. It ****ing sucks and is pointless. Thank god we don't have long gun registration though. To my knowledge no state does, only some cities. Even Canada doesn't have it.

I just knew you would get around to throwing this in.

The Conservative killing of the long gun registry had nothing to do with efficacy and everything to do with placating the base with some red meat. I assure you, now that it is gone, they will STILL campaign on the registry in the next election. Their voters salivate when the bell is rung.

[notyoueither]

I'm not sure if it helped solve many crimes or how it could have helped.

The police did use it to look and see if there were guns at a location before approaching a house in certain circumstances, but all they need to know is that someone at the address has a FAC (license to own a gun) there, or better yet not approach houses as if nobody is armed based on data from a faulty reporting system.

[Ben Kenobi]

The Conservative killing of the long gun registry had nothing to do with efficacy and everything to do with placating the base with some red meat. I assure you, now that it is gone, they will STILL campaign on the registry in the next election. Their voters salivate when the bell is rung.

I'm not sure precisely how many actual crimes were committed with a long gun. It was never about safety and everything about confiscation.