Pope sends direct message to Ben

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm sorry Molly. They were all revolutionaries. They should have obeyed their Lord and rightful Queen Mary and then they wouldn't be executed. After all, that's what Christ commands.

[Ben Kenobi]

Chadwick's a reverend from the COE and here's what he has to say about Pius XII

Interesting.

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/article/6758

Oh, look. Here's a Tablet article.

Yeah, this man is totally a neutral source on Catholicism. One down.

[molly bloom]

Then I fail to see the point in supplying lists when I can simply deny that anyone was ever executed under Mary's reign for their faith. Checkmate.

Erm, no. You won't supply the 'facts' you allege, because you can't. You haven't read enough and don't know enough.

Plain unvarnished simple truth.

I don't feel the need to provide you any because you refuse to acknowledge that any persecution occurred under Elizabeth.

Why should I acknowledge something you allege and have repeatedly failed to show occurred ? No seminary priest was executed BEFORE the Papal Bull of 'Regnans In Excelsis'- which effectively turned English Catholics into presumed traitors if they did not want to be excommunicated. That idiotic gesture (decried by Catholic monarchs) was a gift to Protestant hardliners in England.

So your claim is that exactly zero Catholics were executed during the reign of Queen Elizabeth?

My claim is that you don't provide any evidence for your wild exaggerations and assertions- because you can't. You're on present evidence virtually historically illiterate.

You've got one right in front of you. And yet you call me intellectually dishonest.

Because you are. And you continue to be. If the Catholic Encyclopaedia supports yoru argument, show us how and where it does so. Perhaps it refers to William III Orange as 'King of the Dutch' or gifts him twenty children. We'll never know, because you don't use it to support your bizarre claims or correct your many errors.

It grinds your gears that I was a perfect Englishman who rejected your faith to find another.

My faith ? Oh dear me. I'm a lapsed Roman Catholic.

And the only perfect thing you are is a tw@t.

I know your ideas

Woo-hoo. Carny sideshow Sister Bendy and the crystal balls again.

I know your ideas

I'd prefer you to drop 'Godo Queen Bess' and try getting some decent facts into your posts. But then I'd also prefer an end to world poverty, and I think I can tell which will come first.

I'd be shocked if grammar school in England were taught something contrary to the public view of Elizabeth as the Virgin Queene who saved them from popery and the Spanish Inquisition.

My grammar school was non-denominational. Again, you're just advertising what little you do know about my education at grammar school or elsewhere, comes from me.

How I love keeping an idiot in suspense.

Are you really this retarded Molly?

As you ? Clearly not.

And how sour do those grapes taste?

Are you saying I'm supposed to be envious of your degree ?

Good grief, seek therapy, now, and before it's too late.

[Ben Kenobi]

David Christie-Murray's

David Christie-Murray was educated at the universities of London and Oxford and at Wyclif Hall, Oxford. He was ordained, but after 27 years he resigned orders, having moved, theologically, from the Anglican position towards that of the Society of Friends.

Oh gosh. Yet another reliable, 'unbiased' source about Catholicism. Two down. Can you come up with a book that wasn't written by an Anglican reverend?

[molly bloom]

Chadwick's a reverend from the COE and here's what he has to say about Pius XII

Interesting.

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/article/6758

Oh, look. Here's a Tablet article.

Yeah, this man is totally a neutral source on Catholicism. One down.

So you haven't read the book and didn't know the figures.

Super!

I suppose I could respond by saying you are supposed to have a history degree (all evidence to the contrary), but guess what ? Chadwick taught history at Cambridge University from 1947. Became Regius Professor of Modern History and Master of Selwyn College. He worked on the history of Christian ideas and of the development of the Church in England since the Reformation.

Wrote books on John Cassian, the Oxford Movement and the Victorian Church.


You drove a pizza van and are a Catholic bigot who gets ridiculously easy historical facts wrong.


He wins.

[Ming]

Rook uses colored cards numbers 1-14. Red, Yellow/Orange, Green and Black. With 1s high like aces. Once again, Ming is totally wrong here.

The operative word here is "LIKE". In rook, there are no aces, just cards numbered 1 - 14 and a rook card. Once again, you are just making **** up.
If you use a standard deck, the ace is USED as the one card... but in the the actual game of rook, with a real rook deck, there are NO ACES!

So like usual, you are wrong on something you claim knowledge of.
I'm not sure which is sadder... that fact that you don't even understand the topics you bring up yet claim expertise in, or the fact that you just make **** up to avoid admitting you made yet another mistake.

[Ben Kenobi]

According to Davies, the Tudor name was deliberately played down, because it was an embarrassment in England; Henry VIII would rather boast of the “Union”, of the families of Lancaster and York, which he embodied through his mother.

From your pal here, CSL. Odd that, he's arguing the same thing I am. Henry stressed continuity.

Oh gosh, Wiki doesn't say anything about him - but it has his wife.

Socialist, Trotskyite. Was too red for Labor!

Yet another widely unbiased source on Catholicism, indeed.

[Ben Kenobi]

So you haven't read the book and didn't know the figures.

You've got two COE Reverends and the most moderate is a communist.

I suggest you find some reliable unbiased sources Molly. Preferably a primary source written sometime before JFK's assassination might be helpful.

[molly bloom]

Chadwick's a reverend from the COE and here's what he has to say about Pius XII

Interesting.

http://www.thetablet.co.uk/article/6758

Oh, look. Here's a Tablet article.

Yeah, this man is totally a neutral source on Catholicism. One down.

You are conscious of the fact that Chadwick is reviewing a book on a Catholic Pope by Cornwell ? And that he's quite critical of it ?

Or perhaps a quick google search didn't tell you that. Y

ou should try reading a book or two. I started when I was two and a half, so I've read a very great many.

[Ben Kenobi]

The operative word here is "LIKE". In rook, there are no aces, just cards numbered 1 - 14 and a rook card. Once again, you are just making **** up.

As opposed to someone who's never played the game before. Yeah, I think I'll side with me.

you just make **** up to avoid admitting you made yet another mistake.

Play the game, and get back to me.

[molly bloom]

You've got two COE Reverends and the most moderate is a communist.

I suggest you find some reliable unbiased sources Molly. Preferably a primary source written sometime before JFK's assassination might be helpful.

Address the facts.

I know this would be unusual and completely out of character for you, but do try.


Just once.

[Ben Kenobi]

You are conscious of the fact that Chadwick is reviewing a book on a Catholic Pope by Cornwell ? And that he's quite critical of it ?

He's a reverend of the COE. That makes him a ridiculously hostile source on this issue. Find a reliable secondary source.

Are you going to permit citations of Catholic priest martyrologies as neutral?

I started when I was two and a half, so I've read a very great many.

English books? I'm surprised you weren't reading Old Latin.

[Ben Kenobi]

Address the facts.

What facts? Both were educated at Oxford - an Anglican institution, and both were reverends.

If I wanted to know about what the Anglicans of today thought about these matters then yes, they are reliable sources. However, they are extremely hostile sources to Catholicism in general. I couldn't rely on them for any factual statements because of persistant and concrete bias.

Are you willing to permit Catholic martyrologies as neutral sources?

[rah]

Rook uses colored cards numbers 1-14. Red, Yellow/Orange, Green and Black. With 1s high like aces. Once again, Ming is totally wrong here.

You are unbelievable. If you know that Rook used colored cards numbers 1-14 then why did you say Aces in your example? You use a rook reference using aces and you wonder why I thought it was obscure.
And I'm still trying to figure out how you think Ming is totally wrong.

He said

Yes, AS I NOTED, you can use a regular deck..

So when he says there is no aces in a Rook deck he's right. Your insisting that there is, is wrong by your own definition. "like aces" is not the same.
Just give it up.

[kentonio]

I'm sorry Molly. They were all revolutionaries. They should have obeyed their Lord and rightful Queen Mary and then they wouldn't be executed. After all, that's what Christ commands.

This is hilarious. You are very stupid.