Pope sends direct message to Ben

[Ben Kenobi]

You've had your glaring faults pointed out so many times now, it's just not worth the effort anymore. It's not like you ever actually listen anyway.

So you're saying that I'm actually none of these things, but if you lie enough you hope they become an accepted truth. Cool beans.

Clearly not in your case. You seem to think that parroting 'I'm a sinner' is the same as actually doing anything about your (many) sins.

Apparently including the sin of not being sufficiently liberal to please Kentonio. Maybe if you become a Christian someone will actually listen to you bleating about sin.

Just like all those millions of people ruthlessly slaughtered by the tyrannous socialists in Sweden, and Norway and.. oh wait..

Hey, that's a scotsman. Stalin was a socialist. Stalin killed millions of people. "Stalin wasn't a TRUE Socialist."

Or is the standard, "some socialists actually refrain from killing millions?" Fantastic.

Sure, let's just pretend Christs admonishments to the disciples to give up their worldly goods are just not relevant.

It is relevant, but only after the first two have been satisfied. Ie, it takes a lower priority to "Love the Lord your God", and "Love your neighbour as yourself".

Condemning the rich for not following Christ's admonition while failing to follow Christ's commandments is pure hypocrisy. Strain a gnat, swallow a camel.

Yet again you pick and chose whatever bits you like

What pick and choose? I'm not the one who's saying that Christ is right only sometimes, when and if he agrees with my personal prejudices.

cast away the rest and the overall message.

Says the avowedly non-Christian. LOL! "Know thyself!"

You've made your disgust towards liberals clear many times.

Yes, especially rich ones like Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, etc. Apparently wealthy people are all conservatives, except for when they aren't.

The most religious people I've ever met have been some of the most humble, compassionate and simply good people out there. People who genuinely try their hardest to emulate the example of Jesus. Then again some of the other most humble, compassionate and simply good people have been atheists, so for me the person is a lot more important than the belief system.

Which is an atheist creed, that one can be good without God and that you can be a good person without knowing Him. What does Christ say? The rather radical, "No one is Good".

What really gets my skin crawling though are people who claim to subscribe to a believe system and then act completely opposite

Nah, what really gets under your skin is that a Christian isn't 'meekly submitting' to your atheist bull****.

I'm a capitalist, but in a time of rampant and frankly obscene capitalist excess I don't feel any need to give it any defense.

One of the neat things about Marxists is that they are fully materialists. They just hate capitalism, just like you do.

What is very certain however is that a balance between socialism and capitalism is the only truly decent system that has so far been tried

Serious question. Does mixing **** in with your breakfast cereal improve the taste?

[Ben Kenobi]

BK, you aren't a real Christian. You are a ****ing whackjob.

You would be the expert on wackjobs.

[Ben Kenobi]

Now Jesus' lecture about divorce is a condemnation of contraception?

He talks about husband and wife 'where two become one flesh'. Contraception puts a condom between you, so that you ain't 'two becoming one flesh'. Like I said, it's all connected.

[Ben Kenobi]

Stop being pathetic, even children have more self respect.

Hey, I'm not the one lecturing people for not having the correct beliefs about someone who I believe is a sky fairy. Seriously.

[Sava]

You're right, but you make it sound like someone can't be both of those things.

Most of the whack jobs aren't Christian.

[Berzerker]

Now Jesus' lecture about divorce is a condemnation of contraception?

how about pulling out?

[giblets]

How many times do I gotta say... BK, you aren't a real Christian. You are a ****ing whackjob.

You're right, but you make it sound like someone can't be both of those things.

[Sava]

How many times do I gotta say... BK, you aren't a real Christian. You are a ****ing whackjob.

[kentonio]

So someone is considered, 'not rude' when they deliberately insult someone, go out of their way to ridicule them for being a Christian and then backtrack when called out? I don't see it. I see the initial rudeness as evidence that rah consistantly mocks Christians for believing in Christian teachings that he finds stupid.

Stop being pathetic, even children have more self respect.

[kentonio]

Where?

Where?

And to what 'pointless doctrine' do you refer.

You've had your glaring faults pointed out so many times now, it's just not worth the effort anymore. It's not like you ever actually listen anyway.

I'm a sinner. I've admitted such. You should follow Christ because it's what works.

Clearly not in your case. You seem to think that parroting 'I'm a sinner' is the same as actually doing anything about your (many) sins.

The only one who's embarked on pharaoh style work projects since the time of Pharoah was an avowed socialist - Stalin. Personally that speaks volumes to me. Solzhenitsyn is enough evidence that socialists killed millions of people in the GULAGs, but you're free to deny historical evidence.

Just like all those millions of people ruthlessly slaughtered by the tyrannous socialists in Sweden, and Norway and.. oh wait..

There is one reference to this. One. When the rich man goes to Christ and asks him, "What must I do to be saved", and Christ tells him:

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength.

And the second is like this -

"Love your neighbour as yourself."

Christ does not tell him that "share and you'll be saved". He tells him, "Love God and obey the commandments."

Sure, let's just pretend Christs admonishments to the disciples to give up their worldly goods are just not relevant.

Yes, extreme views that 'unborn children are people', and ought to be treated as such, and "sodomy is sinful". Both of which are found in Scripture. Yet, you're too busy condemning the rich to pull the plank out of your own eye.

Yet again you pick and chose whatever bits you like, and cast away the rest and the overall message.

I believe I just said, "those who are rich are inclined to trust themselves and not God". I don't regard 'wealth' as associated with 'conservatives'. There are a great many wealthy liberals.

You've made your disgust towards liberals clear many times.

Why would anyone listen to what you have to say about Christian teachings?

Why indeed. I don't claim to be an expert on Christianity, but it doesn't take an expert to realize you're full of ****. The most religious people I've ever met have been some of the most humble, compassionate and simply good people out there. People who genuinely try their hardest to emulate the example of Jesus. Then again some of the other most humble, compassionate and simply good people have been atheists, so for me the person is a lot more important than the belief system.

What really gets my skin crawling though are people who claim to subscribe to a believe system and then act completely opposite, which is why I keep rising to your bull**** instead of having the good sense to just ignore you.

I sincerely doubt that you are economically conservative since you believe that the rich are 'evil' and must be punished, and that 'rich people are conservatives'. You're a proponent of the politics of envy, just like other socialists.

The amount of ****s I give about your 'doubts' could be counted on the fingers of no hands. I'm a capitalist, but in a time of rampant and frankly obscene capitalist excess I don't feel any need to give it any defense. I felt the same about socialism when it goes through periods of excess. What is very certain however is that a balance between socialism and capitalism is the only truly decent system that has so far been tried, which is why when morons like yourself talk about socialism as evil, I immediately know you're a jackass with the intellectual capacity of a retarded three year old.

[Ben Kenobi]

He then apologized to Nikolai. How many times have people apologized to you after being rude to you?

So someone is considered, 'not rude' when they deliberately insult someone, go out of their way to ridicule them for being a Christian and then backtrack when called out? I don't see it. I see the initial rudeness as evidence that rah consistantly mocks Christians for believing in Christian teachings that he finds stupid.

[Ben Kenobi]

The Bible in general including these verses seem to be talking about private willingness to help the poor rather than State coercion in forcing the issue.

Dinodoc gets yet another gold star to his collection.

[Ben Kenobi]

Ben if your intent here was to attack O'care, these stories would have been better to highlight.

Thanks Dinodoc. Appreciate it. Obamacare is a massive scam.

[Ben Kenobi]

Honesty: You're a liar. You deliberately deceive and tell lies.

Where?

Humility: You are extremely arrogant. You hold yourself as above others, show off regularly and exhibit pride.

Where?

Compassion: You have very little for those less fortunate, and hold pointless doctrine above basic humanity.

And to what 'pointless doctrine' do you refer.

You're basically the opposite of Christs teachings.

I'm a sinner. I've admitted such. You should follow Christ because it's what works.

The fact you equate socialism with 'killing millions of people'

The only one who's embarked on pharaoh style work projects since the time of Pharoah was an avowed socialist - Stalin. Personally that speaks volumes to me. Solzhenitsyn is enough evidence that socialists killed millions of people in the GULAGs, but you're free to deny historical evidence.

He tried to save everyone, but by encouraging everyone to give away their worldly goods to those in need

There is one reference to this. One. When the rich man goes to Christ and asks him, "What must I do to be saved", and Christ tells him:

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength.

And the second is like this -

"Love your neighbour as yourself."

Christ does not tell him that "share and you'll be saved". He tells him, "Love God and obey the commandments."

What is really funny is that you take lines that are genuinely ambiguous and use them to defend some of your more extreme views

Yes, extreme views that 'unborn children are people', and ought to be treated as such, and "sodomy is sinful". Both of which are found in Scripture. Yet, you're too busy condemning the rich to pull the plank out of your own eye.

yet something like this which is absolutely clear you pretend is something different.

I believe I just said, "those who are rich are inclined to trust themselves and not God". I don't regard 'wealth' as associated with 'conservatives'. There are a great many wealthy liberals.

I'm not a Christian you muppet. Why exactly would I support Christian causes over socially liberal ones?

Why would anyone listen to what you have to say about Christian teachings?

You think that social liberalism has anything to do with Marx?

I sincerely doubt that you are economically conservative since you believe that the rich are 'evil' and must be punished, and that 'rich people are conservatives'. You're a proponent of the politics of envy, just like other socialists.

[Aeson]

Your tax dollars at work.

I'm ok with giving poor people food stamps (though there are better ways to accomplish it) ... I don't even mind paying social workers to go around and try to convince people it's ok to take them.

I can't stand for someone calling that a "war on mountain pride" though ... unless they're up there with drones and snipers taking out hillbillys for not accepting government assistance.