Pope sends direct message to Ben

[Imran Siddiqui]

And the problem here is that Walmart is not paying them enough, not that they are stealing from the taxpayer.

No, Fraud because they are stealing other people's hard earned money.

The mental disconnect manifests itself in 1 sentence. Impressive.

[Ben Kenobi]

Hahaha, **** that must be the most tenuous 'connection' I've seen since the last time I heard those 9/11 conspiracy whackjobs bleating their bull****.

So you say. I'm sure your book, "Kentonio's bible interpretation" will be a best seller.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's called fraud when you work at a job that pays you less than poverty level, so that you qualify for welfare benefits and you accept those benefits?

As opposed to folks who qualify for disability but because they work are ineligible? Yes, it's fraud.

I mean, heck, Walmart even informs its employees how to get government benefits that they qualify for because Walmart pays them less than the line.

And the problem here is that Walmart is not paying them enough, not that they are stealing from the taxpayer.

Maybe fraud by the companies you mean? Another reason for a living wage?

No, Fraud because they are stealing other people's hard earned money. But of course in your world, welfare fraud doesn't occur, and doesn't rob the people who actually need the money from qualifying because welfare cheats have taken it.

[Ben Kenobi]

Clothes are anti-Biblical

I think you might have misunderstood this whole 'sex' thingy.

[Ben Kenobi]

So pulling out is a sin?

The pope would say so, but protestants might think differently. (hint, yes, it is. )

[Imran Siddiqui]

Indeed. These folks complaining about helping the needy just seems so utterly... unChristian.

[kentonio]

I will also submit that "destroyer of the human spirit" is absolute bull**** - providing for the poor and destitute is a matter of moral imperative and holds people up as moral beings rather than less than human losers of the economic system.

You have to admit though, it's pretty funny that some people can see an outreach campaign to bring welfare to the most needy and decide that it constitutes a 'War on mountain pride'. Those pesky liberals, bringing their evil food into the hands of the vulnerable hungry poor folk. Whatever vile trick will they try next..

[Imran Siddiqui]

He talks about husband and wife 'where two become one flesh'. Contraception puts a condom between you, so that you ain't 'two becoming one flesh'. Like I said, it's all connected.

Clothes are anti-Biblical

[Imran Siddiqui]

Question from the back of the class

I fail to see support for the obvious point you seem to be going for here. The Bible in general including these verses seem to be talking about private willingness to help the poor rather than State coercion in forcing the issue. If your intent is to defend the morality of the dole, we could start with an argument that the Welfare State has not become what FDR warned against and turned into a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. If you could work in a moral defense of the war against mountain pride, that would be great.

But that back of the class question is silly. The nation-state didn't exist back then - however, the societies in which these people lived in had some very hard and fast rules about providing for the poor - basically you couldn't be a part of the society if you didn't do your part. For ancient Israel, it was to follow the law which required you to leave food for the poor. For ancient Christianity, it was to give all your money away to the community (or else God would strike you dead - ie, Ananias and Sapphira). I will also submit that "destroyer of the human spirit" is absolute bull**** - providing for the poor and destitute is a matter of moral imperative and holds people up as moral beings rather than less than human losers of the economic system. I'm sure various Popes, if we are focusing on Catholic theology, would emphasize that point.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Umm, this is called fraud by most folks.

It's called fraud when you work at a job that pays you less than poverty level, so that you qualify for welfare benefits and you accept those benefits? I mean, heck, Walmart even informs its employees how to get government benefits that they qualify for because Walmart pays them less than the line.

Maybe fraud by the companies you mean? Another reason for a living wage?

[kentonio]

(not the oral sex "eat" ... that is a sin for altogether different reasons ...

Which biblical verse said that cunnilingus is a sin?

[Aeson]

The only way to really become one flesh is to eat your wife and thus her body will become your's. (not the oral sex "eat" ... that is a sin for altogether different reasons ... the cannibalistic "eat")

[kentonio]

He talks about husband and wife 'where two become one flesh'. Contraception puts a condom between you, so that you ain't 'two becoming one flesh'. Like I said, it's all connected.

Hahaha, **** that must be the most tenuous 'connection' I've seen since the last time I heard those 9/11 conspiracy whackjobs bleating their bull****.

[kentonio]

So you're saying that I'm actually none of these things, but if you lie enough you hope they become an accepted truth. Cool beans.

How ironic, you managed to lie in a post claiming you don't lie. Priceless.

Hey, that's a scotsman. Stalin was a socialist. Stalin killed millions of people. "Stalin wasn't a TRUE Socialist."

Please learn what things mean before you try and use them, it might avoid you looking stupid. What you've just done there is try and claim that individual examples prove a universal truth, which is stupid. Here's a few other examples of your logic..

"All priests must be pedophiles because some are."
"All Canadian deaf people must be gay because some are."

You realize now the rather idiotic error you made, right?

Or is the standard, "some socialists actually refrain from killing millions?" Fantastic.

Some priests refrain from abusing children? Fantastic.

It is relevant, but only after the first two have been satisfied. Ie, it takes a lower priority to "Love the Lord your God", and "Love your neighbour as yourself".

Condemning the rich for not following Christ's admonition while failing to follow Christ's commandments is pure hypocrisy. Strain a gnat, swallow a camel.

Oh interesting, so the commandments are far more important than another pronouncements of Christ? So not working on a Sunday is a much, much more important thing than say homosexuality or contraception? Yet you seem to spend so little time raging about those evil Sunday workers, why is that?

What pick and choose? I'm not the one who's saying that Christ is right only sometimes, when and if he agrees with my personal prejudices.

Sure you are, you do it all the time. Like the way you hate people based on their political affiliation regardless of the good they do for others. Like for instance..

Yes, especially rich ones like Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, etc. Apparently wealthy people are all conservatives, except for when they aren't.

Oh my, the Christian admits to hating people! And which people is it that he hates? Is it the billionaires who are unashamed about their contempt for the poor and who openly exploit the needy for their own enrichment? No of course not, it's the couple of rare billionaires who give hundreds of millions of dollars to try and help the most needy people in the world, and who set up vast charitable foundations on a scale the world has never seen before. Obviously those people are for more worthy of hate. You ****ing hypocrite.

Nah, what really gets under your skin is that a Christian isn't 'meekly submitting' to your atheist bull****.

Aww bless, there's that victim card again. It seems to be getting a bit worn now from all this use.

One of the neat things about Marxists is that they are fully materialists. They just hate capitalism, just like you do.

Me: "I'm a capitalist"
You: "They just hate capitalism, just like you do."

You should really learn to read some time. I hear it's rather an important skill when you're supposedly a teacher.

Serious question. Does mixing **** in with your breakfast cereal improve the taste?

Unrestrained capitalism has been tried on several occasions, notably including the age of the railroad barons where we had some wonders as the poor houses, people being worked to death, rampant disease and massive rates of childhood mortality and savage levels of economic inequality. An age where rich people were more than happy to use violence and murder to subdue rivals and expand their fortunes.

It really does beggar believe that you have the temerity to claim to be a Christian.

[Berzerker]

He talks about husband and wife 'where two become one flesh'. Contraception puts a condom between you, so that you ain't 'two becoming one flesh'. Like I said, it's all connected.

So pulling out is a sin?