Pope sends direct message to Ben

[Lorizael]

Sadly the pun was averted.

I beg to differ.

[Sava]

Nobody cares about your sick and twisted Satanic ideology.

[Ben Kenobi]

Church was looking for more precise ways to predict when Jesus was coming back.

Sadly the pun was averted.

[Ben Kenobi]

I never could fathom Catholic legalism, especially when it comes to the hair-splitting about what is or is not "natural" contraception. If you're having fun but there's rubber in the way--unnatural. If you're not having sex at all to circumvent her body's fertility cycle, OTOH, that's totally hunky-dory. Huh?

All goes back to the concept of the union between husband and wife. Two becoming one flesh. Barrier contraception impairs this bond between husband and wife.

[Ben Kenobi]

is infertility a sin?

No

and not wanting to have children?

And No. Questions asked, questioned answered.

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually (as anyone who can actually read could have easily told) that isn't what I said. In fact you just made that up. Yet another example of you being a dishonest dick.

Right. I made up Stalin killing millions of people.

You're playing a very tired and stupid strawman by saying that because Stalin was a socialist (kind of) that socialism must be the reason why he ordered the deaths of millions.

Yes, it was socialism that he ordered the deaths of millions because they were refusniks, Kuliks, traitors, etc.

Conveniently however, when people point out that Christian rulers have also carried out acts that have led to the deaths of millions, you claim they weren't real Christians.

Christians killed millions of people? Where? When?

Given that you're a compulsive liar, please link to some actual studies/data to support that.

http://www.themediareport.com/fast-facts/

Accused only 4 percent, which is less than the rate for men in general at 5. And that's only those accused, not those actually convicted of such.

Interesting, such a shame that God didn't have you around to summarize the commandments for him so he didn't need to waste his time writing the other eight.

As the Lord himself says, "all the law and the prophets hang on these two."

Or you could just admit you're a sad little virgin whose sexual frustrations have led him to an unhealthy obsession with other peoples sex lives.

As opposed to Mr Fun starting threads, "yes I'm gay today"?

Hilarious that a self-professed Christian is so open about hating people for crimes as severe as a difference of opinion about taxation. You are literally the worst Christian in the world.

Taxing people when they die is wrong. Lobbying the government to tax people when they die to feed your estate planning business is evil.

Being such a hate filled person yourself, you can't help but see hate in everyone else too. It's kind of sad really, I wish you'd been treated more compassionately in your youth so you'd turned out to be a nicer person.

I was a liberal then.

Did you just not bother to read the example I gave immediately after that? I assume you also didn't bother with the section describing exactly why it was such a ****ing horror show.

Engels called. He left his manifesto with you.

Again I can only laugh at the so-called Christian who cares more about economic growth than about things like abject poverty, child mortality and mass human suffering.

Right, because we all know that the United States is the world's poorest country in the world.

[Sava]

I never could fathom Catholic legalism, especially when it comes to the hair-splitting about what is or is not "natural" contraception. If you're having fun but there's rubber in the way--unnatural. If you're not having sex at all to circumvent her body's fertility cycle, OTOH, that's totally hunky-dory. Huh?

Yes. And rubber is so unnatural too. It's not like it grows on trees or anything.

[Lorizael]

Early economic warfare. Turns out there was stiff competition between calendar makers (who favored the rhythm method) and condom makers. Calendar makers were able to get the support of the Church because the Church was looking for more precise ways to predict when Jesus was coming back.

[Elok]

I never could fathom Catholic legalism, especially when it comes to the hair-splitting about what is or is not "natural" contraception. If you're having fun but there's rubber in the way--unnatural. If you're not having sex at all to circumvent her body's fertility cycle, OTOH, that's totally hunky-dory. Huh?

[Sava]

the only sin is having children
because satan gave us fertility

[Berzerker]

The pope would say so, but protestants might think differently. (hint, yes, it is. )

is infertility a sin?

and not wanting to have children?

[kentonio]

Oddly enough of the two of us, I'm the one refraining from unsubstantiated allegations.

That's some funny **** right there.

Again, it's a scotsman. You're arguing that Stalin wasn't a true socialist because he killed people. Unfortunately for you - socialism has killed lots of people, not just under Stalin. Stalin was just it's most brilliant proponent with the highest body count.

Actually (as anyone who can actually read could have easily told) that isn't what I said. In fact you just made that up. Yet another example of you being a dishonest dick.

You're playing a very tired and stupid strawman by saying that because Stalin was a socialist (kind of) that socialism must be the reason why he ordered the deaths of millions. Conveniently however, when people point out that Christian rulers have also carried out acts that have led to the deaths of millions, you claim they weren't real Christians. Fair enough, then by your own logic, Stalin wasn't a real socialist.

Priests have been proven to abuse less frequently than other secular occupations like teachers, and the general public at hand. Heck the average abuse rate for men in general is higher than the likelihood of a priest abusing a child.

Given that you're a compulsive liar, please link to some actual studies/data to support that.

"Love the Lord your God", and "Love your neighbour as yourself *are* the two commandments, which sum up the ten.

Interesting, such a shame that God didn't have you around to summarize the commandments for him so he didn't need to waste his time writing the other eight.

Start more threads concerning Christological heresies, see more Kenobi posts attacking Christological heresies.

Or you could just admit you're a sad little virgin whose sexual frustrations have led him to an unhealthy obsession with other peoples sex lives.

Buffett's on my list because of what he's done to restore the death tax. Gates because he promotes abortion worldwide.

Hilarious that a self-professed Christian is so open about hating people for crimes as severe as a difference of opinion about taxation. You are literally the worst Christian in the world.

Yet you hate rich people in general, as opposed to specific examples of rich people using their money to raise taxes on poorer people and killing babies.

Being such a hate filled person yourself, you can't help but see hate in everyone else too. It's kind of sad really, I wish you'd been treated more compassionately in your youth so you'd turned out to be a nicer person.

When and where? The US had massive growth prior to the formation of a central bank repository and the introduction of an income tax.

Did you just not bother to read the example I gave immediately after that? I assume you also didn't bother with the section describing exactly why it was such a ****ing horror show. Again I can only laugh at the so-called Christian who cares more about economic growth than about things like abject poverty, child mortality and mass human suffering.

[Ben Kenobi]

The mental disconnect manifests itself in 1 sentence. Impressive.

As someone who qualifies for disability yet is disqualified due to employment, I have astonishingly little patience for those who commit welfare fraud.

[Ben Kenobi]

How ironic, you managed to lie in a post claiming you don't lie. Priceless.

Oddly enough of the two of us, I'm the one refraining from unsubstantiated allegations.

try and claim that individual examples prove a universal truth

Again, it's a scotsman. You're arguing that Stalin wasn't a true socialist because he killed people. Unfortunately for you - socialism has killed lots of people, not just under Stalin. Stalin was just it's most brilliant proponent with the highest body count.

"All priests must be pedophiles because some are."

Priests have been proven to abuse less frequently than other secular occupations like teachers, and the general public at hand. Heck the average abuse rate for men in general is higher than the likelihood of a priest abusing a child.

You realize now the rather idiotic error you made, right?

Are you saying the association between socialism and not killing people is flawed because Sweden is an outlier?

Oh interesting, so the commandments are far more important than another pronouncements of Christ?

"Love the Lord your God", and "Love your neighbour as yourself *are* the two commandments, which sum up the ten.

Yet you seem to spend so little time raging about those evil Sunday workers, why is that?

Start more threads concerning Christological heresies, see more Kenobi posts attacking Christological heresies.

Sure you are, you do it all the time. Like the way you hate people based on their political affiliation regardless of the good they do for others. Like for instance..

Where do I say that Christ hates liberals? He doesn't. He loves liberals. He loves sodomites too. Jesus is cool that way. He loves everyone equally, and will forgive you for your sins.

No of course not, it's the couple of rare billionaires who give hundreds of millions of dollars to try and help the most needy people in the world

Buffett's on my list because of what he's done to restore the death tax. Gates because he promotes abortion worldwide.

Me: "I'm a capitalist"
You: "They just hate capitalism, just like you do."

Yet you hate rich people in general, as opposed to specific examples of rich people using their money to raise taxes on poorer people and killing babies.

You should really learn to read some time. I hear it's rather an important skill when you're supposedly a teacher.

Apparently believing everything you read is an important skill as a newsreader for CBS.

Unrestrained capitalism has been tried on several occasions

When and where? The US had massive growth prior to the formation of a central bank repository and the introduction of an income tax.

It really does beggar believe that you have the temerity to claim to be a Christian.

Says the atheist.

[DinoDoc]

Indeed. These folks complaining about helping the needy just seems so utterly... unChristian.

Personally, I don't think anyone is complaining about helping the needy (It's quite Ben-like of you and ken to claim that). The complaints here originate from the failiures of the State to address these problems in an adequate manner. On the contrary, in some cases it only serves to perpetuate the very problems it seeks to solve. I found the dogged moral defense of that distasteful.