Let's see. Moby, Kentonio, Molly, rah, ming, cockney, elok, Imran, that's 7 right there.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI claimed it was due to her executing priests and laypeople. You know - exactly what the excommunication says.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostYou posted a wikipedia article that you likely edited yourself.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostLet's see. Moby, Kentonio, Molly, rah, ming, cockney, elok, Imran, that's 7 right there.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostLet's see. Moby, Kentonio, Molly, rah, ming, cockney, elok, Imran, that's 7 right there.
I questioned the number 17 and you list of only 7 people - you've come up with less than half the people you claimed. Hey I guess I should be thankful your number at least ends in a 7. Yes Ben, you made it up, just like you've made everything else up in the deluded dimension that is the Beniverse...
Still, the main point stands, the one that went whooshing over your febrile little head: Only 17!?
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They aren't even believing you Ben
Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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Originally posted by Elok View PostEDIT: Molly, you too.
Dejectedly, but not responding at all to the interruption,
Bishop FitzPatrick continues,
"Let me illustrate by giving you some
figures I obtained yesterday afternoon. I read in the newspaper Oggi
that during the last five years, according to a spokesman for the
Missiones Catholic, the Church has increased its membership in
Yugoslavia from 19,381,403 to 23,501,062. But the government census
taken last year gives the total population of Yugo slavia at
23,575,194. That leaves only 74,132 for the other religious and
irreligious bodies. Aware of the large Moslem population of
Yugoslavia, I suspected an inaccuracy in the published statistics and
consulted the computer in St. Peter's, which informed me"
- the bishop,
pausing, produces a lengthy printout and unfolds it across much of the
table-
"that the last count of the Faithful in Yugoslavia, made a year
and a half ago, places our numbers at 14,206,198. Therefore an
overstatement of 9,294,864 has been made. Which is absurd. And
perpetuated. Which is damnable."
Sorry, but if find his errors, lies and misrepresentations so blatant and reprehensible I can't let them slip by.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Elok View PostY'know, if Ken, C0ckney and Molly just talked to each other, I bet they could have a number of interesting, non-repetitive discussions about a number of fascinating historical subjects, beyond "was one of the most beloved monarchs in English history actually a sadistic psychopath?"Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostYes, Antonia Fraser who's published books assuaging folks that Cromwell was a perfectly pleasant chap. I'm sure you found her books palatable.
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Lady Antonia was educated at the Catholic convent and Oxford (Lady Margaret Hall, BA 1953). She converted to Catholicism in her teens, following her parents' lead, and at the age of 23 she married Sir Hugh Fraser, a handsome Catholic, Scots nobleman and war hero with the SAS (Special Air Services). He was 15 years her senior.
Moreover, a convert to Roman Catholicism, educated in a convent.
Sorry, she's not Catholic ENOUGH for you, is that it ? She wrote a book about a famous non-Catholic Englishman, is that it ? You are a waste of skin.
Which is why you persistantly exhibit prejudice towards Catholicism here.
I am not especially prejudiced towards Catholicism- towards a corrupt Vatican hierarchy, towards various policies of the Vatican as publicly espoused on the world stage which directly affect the health of millions across the globe, yes. I treat all superstitions with the same degree of bemused contempt.
It just so happens that Catholicism is the cult I was inducted into at an early age- so it's the one I know the best.
So why reject Duffy?
I haven't. You clearly haven't read his book.
This is from another review of Duffy's book :
Within those limitations Duffy might have written a more readable book except for one unavoidable hurdle: the execution by burning of more than 280 Englishmen and Englishwomen whose consciences did not allow them to profess Mary's and Pole's Roman Catholicism. Modern readers are not likely to see much good in Mary's reign were an author to sweep those executions under a rug. And Duffy does not. Page after page he recounts the hunts for heretics, the trials, the efforts to persuade dissidents to come back to Roman and Royal obedience and the final moments of the Protestant martyrs. A dozen of those anti-Protestant processes and executions are shown in color.
Duffy can never get away from those burnings. Their honest narrative takes up a sizeable portion of his text. He tries to show religious persecutions and executions for heresy as not uncommon in other countries at the same time -- though the methods of killing varied.
You've constantly castigated the Church for whitewashing.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
I provided a citation from the Tablet underscoring his extensive anti-Catholicism.
1. To quote as an authority or example.
2. To mention or bring forward as support, illustration, or proof: cited several instances of insubordinate behavior.
3.
a. To commend officially for meritorious action in military service.
b. To honor formally.
4. To summon before a court of law.1. to quote or refer to (a passage, book, or author) in substantiation as an authority, proof, or example
2. (Military) to mention or commend (a soldier, etc.) for outstanding bravery or meritorious action
3. (Law) to summon to appear before a court of law
4. to enumerate he cited the king's virtues
[from Old French citer to summon, from Latin citāre to rouse, from citus quick, from ciēre to excite]
All you placed in your post was the address of the review.
You did not at any time indicate which of Chadwick's comments on Cornwell's book were supposedly anti-Catholic.
YOU'RE AN IDIOT.
Your original post in its full glorious crass stupidity:
Chadwick's a reverend from the COE and here's what he has to say about Pius XII
Interesting.
News stories from Britain and around the globe about Christianity, Catholicism, other Christians and denominations and also other faiths. The Tablet is a Catholic weekly journal that has been published continually since 1840. It reports on religion current affairs, politics, social issues, literature and the arts with a special emphasis on Roman Catholicism while remaining ecumenical. It is committed to the teaching of the Second Vatican Council. Contributors to its pages have included Evelyn Waugh, Graham Greene, Pope Benedict XVI, as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, and Pope Paul VI, as Cardinal Giovanni Battista Montini.
Oh, look. Here's a Tablet article.
Yeah, this man is totally a neutral source on Catholicism. One down.
You should not be teaching vulnerable people.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
Right, which can be well perceived by someone from a grammar school education.
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They've been outlined and detailed here many, many times. It might be fun if I had a free day, just to trawl thorugh this thread and list your copious errors and how many times, despite being corrected, you blithely repeated them.
You have hated Catholicism from day one. Everyone sees it Molly!
And when challenged to provide the figure for Elizabeth which is right in front of you, you declined.
Seems to be the case.
alleged use of Wikipedia
So typically craven and dishonest of you.
I was aware of the claim before the citation. I did some examination and found the claim listed as under this book by Eamon Duffy.
I did some examination and found the claim listed as under this book by Eamon Duffy.
You wanted to confirm your prejudice and did so.
So far all it's done is make you hysterical.
You can take a dimwit to school, but you can't make him think.Last edited by molly bloom; November 5, 2013, 09:39.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostIt's a citation demonstrating that the claim has been made by Eamon Duffy.
You're simply making excuses for making yet another of your mistakes.
I believe he had 75k executed because Eamon Duffy, whom I regard as a reliable historian and professor at Cambridge believes that this occurred.
So you still haven't read the book, just a review of the book. Figures. Still making excuses for your pathetic lack of knowledge.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostFRAUD.
And you don't even understand how I know this to be so!Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostOh, lookee that. Wikipedia citation after you claimed not to consult the wikipedia. Gosh. What else is Molly lying about?
You might just have a use as a draught excluder if you kept your mouth shut.Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Thank you. No further questions, Molly.
Stay off the communion wine, o.k. ?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH AHVive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostSo not only does this put your statement to lie that such numbers were 'impossible', this is primary source evidence defending the figures.
No, it isn't, you moron.
Thanks to Harrison giving his sources, we see that, via astrologer Girolamo Cardano,the source is actually the Bishop of Lisieux.
But if I also told you also that the claim by this bishop is often given as being 72,000 Catholics, and not “thieves and rogues”, you might get a sense of the bias bound up in this myth. Note also an Irish Republican who states that the figure has been “computed” in order to lend it extra weight.
Liar, liar.... And I should point out I'd already provided evidence that this figure was simply unbelievable, in an earlier post- from a book by a writer specializing in the history of capital punishment and its effect on society.
Oh dear, perhaps you were confusing me with kentonio then. Or you found out the author was insufficiently Roman Catholic for your tastes.
Who cares....Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.
...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915
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