Adam Smith. Communist

[kentonio]

For some unknown reason some folks have issue that some people have more resources at their disposal than others and as such are free to use them as they see fit. They then claim this process as rationing. Puzzling.

The two great sins in the above

1) Some people have more resources than others.
2) People are free to buy things they wish as opposed to what they "should" buy.

Same ideological bull**** as always. You're a bunch of zealots and cowards. You preach this crap, but when it comes down to it you don't have the balls to follow it through to its logical conclusion and let the poor just die, so instead you provide them with treatment anyway, just late and at a hugely inefficient cost.

Same typical US crap as always, the home of democracy and freedom that used to happily overthrow democratically elected regimes because they had the temerity to elect socialist governments, and then replace them with authoritarian oppressive regimes.

[The Mad Monk]

Why is the quantity extremely limited? Why aren't producers coming in to fill the need?

[kentonio]

If limitted supply is the issue, what form of delivery allows for better outcomes for increasing supply?

Time and again it has been shown that price controlled goods and services result in shortages and breadlines.

Except that in all the countries that use universal healthcare systems they provide better coverage and outcomes for a much lower cost. You pay more, you get a ****tier service, and when this is pointed out you just all squeal and pretend that it's not true, despite the mountains of data proving it. Idiots.

[kentonio]

Why is the quantity extremely limited? Why aren't producers coming in to fill the need?

Because the supply of highly trained medical personnel is not something that you can just turn on a tap and increase. Also because it's a market based system, there's no incentive for the current highly trained medical personnel to want lots more peers because then the value of their service would decrease.

[The Mad Monk]

That implies that we only just now noticed a shortage, and that there is collusion in the medical community to increase suffering for profit.

[dannubis]

For some unknown reason some folks have issue that some people have more resources at their disposal than others and as such are free to use them as they see fit. They then claim this process as rationing. Puzzling.

The two great sins in the above

1) Some people have more resources than others.
2) People are free to buy things they wish as opposed to what they "should" buy.

I am guessing you were pretty happy when OJ got off the hook.

[The Mad Monk]

According to this 2009 article, one of the limiting factors is Medicare freezing funding to residency slots since 1997.

[DinoDoc]

According to this 2009 article, one of the limiting factors is Medicare freezing funding to residency slots since 1997.

But.... government.

[Hauldren Collider]

Because the supply of highly trained medical personnel is not something that you can just turn on a tap and increase. Also because it's a market based system, there's no incentive for the current highly trained medical personnel to want lots more peers because then the value of their service would decrease.

It is actually something that can simply increase, over long periods of time, given market pressures. However, government cannot simply will more medical resources into existence.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I am guessing you were pretty happy when OJ got off the hook.

Why not he got due process and was treated equally in the eyes of the law. The fact that the government may have rendered an inept decision is not a failure of the free market.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Same ideological bull**** as always. You're a bunch of zealots and cowards. You preach this crap, but when it comes down to it you don't have the balls to follow it through to its logical conclusion and let the poor just die, so instead you provide them with treatment anyway, just late and at a hugely inefficient cost.

Same typical US crap as always, the home of democracy and freedom that used to happily overthrow democratically elected regimes because they had the temerity to elect socialist governments, and then replace them with authoritarian oppressive regimes.

Is it just me or has your ranting become even more incoherent of late? Jumping from subject to subject like a mind addled schizophrenic.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Except that in all the countries that use universal healthcare systems they provide better coverage and outcomes for a much lower cost. You pay more, you get a ****tier service, and when this is pointed out you just all squeal and pretend that it's not true, despite the mountains of data proving it. Idiots.

Who cares? You need to deal with the before and after effects of the market you are considereing not the comparison of disparate markets.

[Felch]

You aren't free to buy as much as you like, the quantity is extremely limited. Rationing does not mean everyone is entitled to a perfectly equal share, the form of rationing is basically irrelevant.

You absolutely are free to buy as much as you want, within the limits of what exists. Just like how you're free to buy as much sugar as you want, within the limits of the sugar that exists. Rationing doesn't mean that everyone gets an equal share (soldiers and manual laborers would often get more than women and children under wartime rationing), but you still aren't using the word rationing correctly.

You didn't answer my question: 'Please explain what advantage there is between that distribution being based on wealth rather than need.'

When did I say that there's an advantage? I support free market health care with allowances for medical savings accounts from the government (so that communicable diseases among the poor can be effectively managed). I only jumped in here to correct your flagrant misuse of the English language. You are presumably a well-educated native speaker. Please use the word rationing correctly.

[Felch]

Because the supply of highly trained medical personnel is not something that you can just turn on a tap and increase. Also because it's a market based system, there's no incentive for the current highly trained medical personnel to want lots more peers because then the value of their service would decrease.

We can import doctors from other countries under H-1B visas. Also, under a true market based system, the people offering services don't have the power to block competition. That's an example of an un-free market.

[regexcellent]

We could allow PAs and nurses to do more independently of doctors/reduce licensing requirements too. That would probably cut costs a ton. And implement tort reform/reduce malpractice liability etc. None of that is market stuff per se, just reduce the regulatory bull**** preventing a proper free market of healthcare.