Adam Smith. Communist

[Sava]

A reasonable suggestion 'cept for the fact that their is a never ending effort to curb any private competition to the public offerings, reference war on school choice, and a constant effort to squelch private alternative to public education. What makes you think the public/private health care option would be any less contentious?

Oh please. Don't be disingenuous. The "private alternative" consists of defunding public schools so that the "private alternative" is the only option. That's the only way private schools can operate effectively. And you get what you pay for. Sure, rich people can send their kids to great schools. Everyone else? Well, they'll be left with Walmart educations.

[Dinner]

I don't know what Oerdin is talking about. I think the game is awesome. I'm not noticing any problems. As with any Paradox game, it is well supported.

It's stable but still has some big balance issues and there are problems with the AI not colonizing correctly and countries not forming correctly. I'm still not convinced the AI knows how to use national ideas and still tech at the right speed because the same points are used to buy both.

[Sava]

It's stable but still has some big balance issues and there are problems with the AI not colonizing correctly and countries not forming correctly. I'm still not convinced the AI knows how to use national ideas and still tech at the right speed because the same points are used to buy both.

I haven't noticed any of that. Those issues seem minor and fixable.

The AI in my game is teching up properly. Though, I'm only 100-150 years into this current game.

[kentonio]

A reasonable suggestion 'cept for the fact that their is a never ending effort to curb any private competition to the public offerings, reference war on school choice, and a constant effort to squelch private alternative to public education. What makes you think the public/private health care option would be any less contentious?

Err, what? Here the private option basically offers additional services like private rooms, quicker consultant times etc. There is no desire on the part of the public sector to battle with the private because the public sector is working from a national budget, and the more people that the private sector can attract to use their services means more money left for those who stay public. Where exactly is the contentiousness in this?

[kentonio]

I haven't noticed any of that. Those issues seem minor and fixable.

The AI in my game is teching up properly. Though, I'm only 100-150 years into this current game.

Yeah mine's seemed pretty nice and stable so far too.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Oh please. Don't be disingenuous. The "private alternative" consists of defunding public schools so that the "private alternative" is the only option. That's the only way private schools can operate effectively. And you get what you pay for. Sure, rich people can send their kids to great schools. Everyone else? Well, they'll be left with Walmart educations.

See how easy it is. The same rhetoric (as wrong as it is) would apply to health care arguements (public v. private only moreso cause "you are now killing kids!!!! OMFGGG YOU MONSTERS!!!!)if the idea were ever to be implemented.

[Sava]

See how easy it is. The same rhetoric (as wrong as it is) would apply to health care arguements (public v. private only moreso cause "you are now killing kids!!!! OMFGGG YOU MONSTERS!!!!)if the idea were ever to be implemented.

So... you are arguing against the privatization of education and health care?

That's refreshing.

[Dauphin]

Ugh, looks like I'll be wasting away my scarce free time on EU4 now.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

So... you are arguing against the privatization of education and health care?

No I am arguing that hacks will use stupid arguements against a private option in either case.

Thanks for the immediate confirmation that is indeed the case.

[Sava]

Ugh, looks like I'll be wasting away my scarce free time on EU4 now.

[Sava]

No I am arguing that hacks will use stupid arguements against a private option in either case.

Thanks for the immediate confirmation that is indeed the case.

It must suck to be on the wrong side of reality. Do you ever have moments of clarity where you wish you could be part of the real world?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I mean, really, you walk right into proving my point and then say I'm not realistic.

[notyoueither]

A reasonable suggestion 'cept for the fact that there is a never ending effort to curb any private competition to the public offerings, reference war on school choice, and a constant effort to squelch private alternative to public education. What makes you think the public/private health care option would be any less contentious?

It is contentious in NA, which is why the US does not have a sane public system and Canada does not have a well functioning private system. A lot of it is ideological. reg is too common in the US (I won't pay for others' healthcare!). His diabolical twin is prevalent in Canada (I won't let you use private medical services!).

Different blends work most everywhere else in OECD countries.

[notyoueither]

Err, what? Here the private option basically offers additional services like private rooms, quicker consultant times etc. There is no desire on the part of the public sector to battle with the private because the public sector is working from a national budget, and the more people that the private sector can attract to use their services means more money left for those who stay public. Where exactly is the contentiousness in this?

In Canada proponents of public only healthcare hit the hysterical panic button over the possibility that the public system could be starved of cash and or talent by a well-functioning private system. They always site the US as an example and refuse to even look at European and other OECD models.

The best information I've seen in media came from American public broadcasters. Canadian media and politicians treat the issue like the proverbial third rail.

[kentonio]

In Canada proponents of public only healthcare hit the hysterical panic button over the possibility that the public system could be starved of cash and or talent by a well-functioning private system.

It seems weird, because I can't see how it could be starved of cash if you're taking the money directly out in taxes. As for talent, I'm sure it has some minor effect, but the number of people willing to basically pay twice is generally pretty limited anyway.