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  • #16
    And yet both were opinion pieces.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dinner View Post
      And yet both were opinion pieces.
      I honestly think you failed to read anything other than the titles of both sources. Seriously, the National Journal isn't some sort of Right Wing rag nor is the reporter I linked to an anti-Obama zealot.
      Last edited by DinoDoc; September 5, 2013, 17:21.
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      • #18
        Are you denying they were opinion pieces?
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Dinner View Post
          Are you denying they were opinion pieces?
          I'm claiming that you didn't read **** from either source and are simply trying to hand wave inconvenient facts away from the rainbows and lollipop land of Obamacare.

          More evidence of this is that Nebraska health insurance premiums increase 21%-143% with ObamaCare.
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          • #20
            Even the CBO is getting more skeptical about Obamacare by the day. What do lower rates mean when the average gov't subsidy for them is now estimated at over $5000. With it being doubtful that there will even be lower rates in many, if not most, states, why are we doing this? One could say it is to get more people coverage...yet the CBO is even beginning to doubt that.



            I am sure that Oerdin will tell us that either the CBO has been taken over by right wingers or that it is all just a pack of lies.

            Who to believe? The Congressional Budget Office or Oerdin? Decisions are so hard these days....
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            • #21
              single payer would probably cost less
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #22


                Costs, in reality, are actually much lower than expected especially in states which fully inacted the exchanges instead of obstructing them and attempting to make sure they can't function properly.
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                • #23
                  May be someone could post a seriously Republican partisan article.

                  Between the two, maybe we could cut and paste the truth.
                  Thanks to DD you don't even need to read the OP! Thanks DD! Glad to see you're continuing to provide excellent, worthwhile posts.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sava View Post
                    single payer would probably cost less
                    Change 'probably' to 'would definitely' and you're right on the money. Then again that would be all 'socialist' so its better to let those poor folks die.

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                    • #25
                      not to mention DEATH PANELS!
                      Indifference is Bliss

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                      • #26
                        The main takeaway from an exhaustive new study of premiums on the Obamacare health insurance marketplaces: They’re generally going to be lower than expected, undercutting the persistent claims of “rate shock” by conservatives.
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                        • #27
                          Good news, but probably related to the ballooning subsidies as opposed to the affordability of the insurance. Still, with the $1 trillion in new revenue the government is extracting from the people, we should be okay, right?
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                          • #28
                            Change 'probably' to 'would definitely' and you're right on the money. Then again that would be all 'socialist' so its better to let those poor folks die.
                            Which is why all the Canadians were coming to America for health care. Oh wait. Cheaper is great, but there's nothing cheaper than nothing at all. You want to wait two years for a hip replacement?
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                            • #29
                              Was delaying the application of the individual mandate to business a republican obstructionist tactic?
                              "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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