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  • #16
    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
    No he didn't...the catholic church has never excluded gay priests, only gay priests who have sex or advocate gay sex.


    Pope Benedict XVI's book, "Light of the World"
    The Congregation for Education issued a decision a few years ago to the effect that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation estranges them from the proper sense of paternity, from the intrinsic nature of priestly being. The selection of candidates to the priesthood must therefore be very careful.

    The greatest attention is needed here in order to prevent the intrusion of this kind of ambiguity and to head off a situation where the celibacy of priests would practically end up being identified with the tendency to homosexuality.

    Sexuality has an intrinsic meaning and direction, which is not homosexual. We could say, if we wanted to put it like this, that evolution has brought forth sexuality for the purpose of reproducing the species. The same thing is true from a theological point of view as well. The meaning and direction of sexuality is to bring about the union of man and woman

    And, in this way, to give humanity posterity, children, a future. This is the determination internal to the essence of sexuality. Everything else is against sexuality's intrinsic meaning and direction. This is a point we need to hold firm, even if it is not pleasing to our age ...
    Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation.

    Otherwise, celibacy itself would lose its meaning as a renunciation. It would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into the priesthood who don't want to get married anyway.


    His interviewer then asked:
    But there is no doubt that homosexuality exists in monasteries and among the clergy, if not acted out, then at least in a nonpracticed form.


    To which he replied:
    Well, that is just one of the disturbing problems of the Church. And the persons who are affected must at least try not to express this inclination actively, in order to remain true to the intrinsic mission of their office.

    The issue at stake here is the intrinsic truth of sexuality's significance in the constitution of man's being. If someone has deep-seated homosexual inclinations–and it is still an open question whether these inclinations are really innate or whether they arise in early childhood–if, in any case, they have power over him, this is a great trial for him, just as other trials can afflict other people as well. But this does not mean that homosexuality thereby becomes morally right. Rather, it remains contrary to the essence of what God originally willed … For, in the end, their attitude toward man and woman is somehow distorted, off centre, and, in any case, is not within the direction of creation of which we have spoken.
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    • #17
      [QUOTE=Asher;6245194]
      Benedict wanted all gay men out of the church. QUOTE]

      Is that why he left early?
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Asher View Post


        Pope Benedict XVI's book, "Light of the World"
        The Congregation for Education issued a decision a few years ago to the effect that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation estranges them from the proper sense of paternity, from the intrinsic nature of priestly being. The selection of candidates to the priesthood must therefore be very careful.

        The greatest attention is needed here in order to prevent the intrusion of this kind of ambiguity and to head off a situation where the celibacy of priests would practically end up being identified with the tendency to homosexuality.

        Sexuality has an intrinsic meaning and direction, which is not homosexual. We could say, if we wanted to put it like this, that evolution has brought forth sexuality for the purpose of reproducing the species. The same thing is true from a theological point of view as well. The meaning and direction of sexuality is to bring about the union of man and woman

        And, in this way, to give humanity posterity, children, a future. This is the determination internal to the essence of sexuality. Everything else is against sexuality's intrinsic meaning and direction. This is a point we need to hold firm, even if it is not pleasing to our age ...
        Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation.

        Otherwise, celibacy itself would lose its meaning as a renunciation. It would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into the priesthood who don't want to get married anyway.


        His interviewer then asked:
        But there is no doubt that homosexuality exists in monasteries and among the clergy, if not acted out, then at least in a nonpracticed form.


        To which he replied:
        Well, that is just one of the disturbing problems of the Church. And the persons who are affected must at least try not to express this inclination actively, in order to remain true to the intrinsic mission of their office.

        The issue at stake here is the intrinsic truth of sexuality's significance in the constitution of man's being. If someone has deep-seated homosexual inclinations–and it is still an open question whether these inclinations are really innate or whether they arise in early childhood–if, in any case, they have power over him, this is a great trial for him, just as other trials can afflict other people as well. But this does not mean that homosexuality thereby becomes morally right. Rather, it remains contrary to the essence of what God originally willed … For, in the end, their attitude toward man and woman is somehow distorted, off centre, and, in any case, is not within the direction of creation of which we have spoken.
        Uh, what is your point? This speech by the new pope does not change any of the above things, that is, homosexuality is sinful, but if you never act on it, you can still be a priest. Church policy has not changed at all, despite the different tone of voice.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
          Uh, what is your point? This speech by the new pope does not change any of the above things, that is, homosexuality is sinful, but if you never act on it, you can still be a priest. Church policy has not changed at all, despite the different tone of voice.
          Your claim: What he said is no different from what the past pope said.

          Reality: Past pope said no gays in the church, celibate or not. New pope says gays in the church are allowed, if celibate.

          What do you not get?
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          • #20
            HC, even if the technicalities of the words were not different (which I don't agree with), the tone and focus was clearly different. That's pretty important.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Asher View Post
              Your claim: What he said is no different from what the past pope said.

              Reality: Past pope said no gays in the church, celibate or not. New pope says gays in the church are allowed, if celibate.

              What do you not get?
              There are a LOT of things he doesn't get. Where to start ....
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              • #22
                That's an ironic post.
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                • #23
                  even if the technicalities of the words were not different (which I don't agree with)
                  Does this mean you are claiming victory? Francis explicitly defends what has always been the teaching of the Catholic church. The inclination is not the issue. One can have an inclination and yet choose not to indulge it. The issue is choosing to indulge it. He also says that forgiveness is forgiveness. If one has sincerely confessed one's sins, they are forgiven. This is also a teaching of Christ. Any sin can be forgiven if confessed to God and one is willing to repent.
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                  • #24
                    Lather. Rinse. Repeat?
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Dr Strangelove View Post
                      Just a short while ago he stated that he would take action against the gay cabal inside the Vatican. Now he denies their existence. Is he sincere or is he merely a politician telling everyone what they want to hear? How so we know what he really thinks or plans?
                      This could be the most cunning papist plot for quite a while...
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                      • #26
                        Ya think? We need someone on the down low who can penetrate the threshold of the papacy and expose the very nether regions of this plot? You up for it?
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                        • #27
                          oh yeah, there are Jesuits involved too! I have links, I can infiltrate and report.
                          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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