Which group, besides furries, is the most discrimianted against throughout the entire world (in the present day)?

[giblets]

I don't think you understood my meaning when I said "politically motivated". They're not trying to drum up democratic votes. They have an axe to grind about tranny discrimination, and so have an agency problem when it comes to the question of "should I get transexual surgery".

I didn't misunderstand the term "politically motivated". You used it incorrectly. If you want to police the English language and complain when people come up with words like "cisgendered" this really doesn't help your credibility.

[Elok]

4. Of or relating to views about social relationships that involve power or authority.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/political

EDIT: I should note that homosexuality was removed from the DSM ages ago--not in response to a reassessment of its nature, nor to significantly increased tolerance by the general population, but as an attempt to normalize the behavior. I.e., to alter the public's attitudes on a controversial subject, eventually to the point of affecting public policy. I think it's fair to call such behavior "political."

[Wezil]

Single group most severely discriminated against? Criminals. We actually segregate them.

Group most widely discriminated against? Women. Easily.

[Hauldren Collider]

Yeah, they have to play on their own sports teams. They even have separate bathrooms. It's sick.

[Felch]

Cisgendered is just like Cisalpine Gaul, right? So it's silly, overwrought, quasi-latin nonsense (This side of gender?), but nothing to get worked up over.

[notyoueither]

Oh, it's not an illness, yet it calls for invasive surgery. Shut the **** up.

And "medical community" is such a farce. You can find plenty of doctors who wouldn't tell parents it's a good idea to have their confused kids cut on. Or a confused adult that he should be cut on.

What you will find is a lot of politically motivated psychiatrists who will encourage people who are clearly deranged to do something drastic to their own bodies. It often ends up, strangely enough, not solving all their problems, but now those problems can be laid at the feet of bigotry or whatnot.

Yes, a lot of conditions of the body call for invasive surgery. If the person is likely going to be better off after the medical procedure that would be a good reason to supply it.

What you overlook is that some people are miserable in society being treated as a gender that is not compatible with their psyche. Some of them may go through an extensive evaluation and set of procedures to alter themselves to be more comfortable in their lives. It is not done lightly (in Canada at least) but only after a lengthy period of assessment. They come out the other end as happier people. What is your problem with that?

You would really not like to go through the process, we get it. I can't blame you, neither would I. However, I can understand that for some people it will improve their lives.

And yes, many of the problems of minorities (sexual and otherwise) can be laid at the feet of bigotry.

It's still listed as a disorder. They've simply removed the label "gender identity disorder" and replaced it with "Gender dysphoria" as it the GID label was seen as stigmatizing to the He/She community. But it is still listed as a disorder otherwise insurance would never cover invasive surgery for people to pretend to by something they aren't.

It used to be considered a disorder or shortcoming of the mind. It is now considered a shortcoming of the body, and the medical profession offers solutions to the problem that some people experience when their mind does not match their body.

[notyoueither]

It's a largely unnecessary term; the vast, vast majority of people are not transgendered, so we could get on fine with "non-TG." If you seriously need a specialized term to refer to the non-TG, well, that implies that you spend a good deal of time musing on the differences between the TG and non-TG, etc. As the chief distinction between the two is obvious (and so major as to make any other differences irrelevant), that's a pretty trivial subject to muse on--unless you have some sort of political axe to grind, or have built up a career yammering on about it. In which case, words like "cisgender" (not to mention "heteronormative") help you sound like you're actually an expert on something.

We also don't need special words meaning "having two arms" or "non-lisping." Or "neurotypical," for that matter. My ego can take it if we just call them "normal," and save three syllables.

There are places where the term has meaning and is useful. Some people view gender as a continuum with CIS at one extreme and trans at the other. In some communities there are a lot of people who fall somewhere in the middle between those two polls.

[Elok]

There are places where the term has meaning and is useful. Some people view gender as a continuum with CIS at one extreme and trans at the other. In some communities there are a lot of people who fall somewhere in the middle between those two polls.

I'll grant you it might be useful for a FB group devoted to the transgendered or some such (but see what I said about "neurotypical")--while maintaining that:

A. The word was invented by insufferable PoMo cranks,
B. It makes no sense to say "cisgender" instead of "non-TG" in a context like Poly where people are highly unlikely to be familiar with it, and
C. Given the rarity of TG, it's the sort of thing that can be safely implied by the word "male" alone anyway.

[Sava]

I have no idea what's going on right now.

[notyoueither]

B and C are basically right. In broader society it is a nuance that loses value.

In the society of sexual minorities it is a nuance that has a lot of meaning. It is surprising the number of people who enjoy some form of gender switching or blurring once they begin to lose their inhibitions. In that context it has quite a bit of meaning.

A is simply an example of wide-spread and perhaps willful ignorance. I would guess that the term originated in the LGBTQ and kink communities where it can be a useful term.

[loinburger]

I figure it's like any other sort of jargon - useful in a few contexts, obnoxious in most others.

[Hauldren Collider]

What the **** is the Q in LGBTQ? Quacks? Quasi-sexuals? Quebecois?

[regexcellent]

e: ^^ I think the Q stands for queer. How that's not covered by the other letters is a exercise for the reader.

Kink community? Huh? Like, does there really need to be an advocacy group for people who tie each other up during sex?

Unless you're talking kinks like scat fetish in which case I reserve the right to judge people based on their actions, tyvm.

[notyoueither]

What the **** is the Q in LGBTQ? Quacks? Quasi-sexuals? Quebecois?

Queer. They are not necessarily gay or lesbian (although a lot are) they're just... queer.

[regexcellent]

Queer. They are not necessarily gay or lesbian (although a lot are) they're just... queer.

At that point you're kind of splitting hairs.