Do our resident conservatives and republicans truly believe women are biologically suited to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen?

[Aeson]

The theory of evolution cares about the classification. Hey, it's the way the theory works. No species = no evolution.

No. We could remove all classification of animals and it wouldn't change whether or not one specific organism descended from another specific organism. Either it did or it didn't. That's what matters.

What we call the two organisms is just fluff.

Not surprisingly you're relying solely on fluff and strawmen, since you know your argument doesn't have anything to actually support it.

If you are stating that the organism changes, then you are stating precisely what I already stated that this change is differentiation (change within a species), rather than evolution (change between a species).

You're just making a meaningless delineation between one genetic change being "evolution" and the exact same genetic change, just labeled differently, being "differentiation". If a certain set of genetic changes occurs, that's what occurred regardless of what you call it.

Redefining me as a 'baboon', renders the term itself meaningless.

Yah, it wouldn't be fair to baboons.

[Ben Kenobi]

You waste everyone's time on this site.

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[Ben Kenobi]

No. We could remove all classification of animals and it wouldn't change whether or not one specific organism descended from another specific organism. Either it did or it didn't. That's what matters.

Yes, it would change everything. You'd be in essence saying that x WAS y. That there isn't such a thing as the human species per se.

The theory of evolution requires the existence of species. Ergo, it makes sense to define species empirically, through the genome and not accidental characteristics.

[DaShi]

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**** you, Ben! **** you to hell, you ****** ******* not worth the very **** that dribbles out of your ****ing mouth!

[Ben Kenobi]

Link works for me.

[DaShi]

Rot in hell!

[DaShi]

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[Ben Kenobi]

[Aeson]

Yes, it would change everything.

You think it would change whether evolution happened or not?

You'd be in essence saying that x WAS y.

No. Because I'm not a moron like you and so can deal with actual differences instead of needing labels to tell me whether organisms are the same or different. You on the other hand have to have a name tag to figure out whether a juniper tree is an armadillo or not.

The theory of evolution requires the existence of species.

How we label or delineate "species" is irrelevant to whether evolution happened or not.

Ergo, it makes sense to define species empirically, through the genome and not accidental characteristics.

Yes, it would make sense to define differences between organisms without using arbitrary lines based on abstract and fuzzy reasons. It's not necessary to do so to have evolution though.

[Ben Kenobi]

You think it would change whether evolution happened or not?

Yes. By definition, removing the concept of a species means you no longer believe in evolution.

No. Because I'm not a moron like you

I'm saying that species definitions should be defined along genomes, not physical characteristics. You're response, "species" don't really exist.

I'm not sure what's controversial about what I am saying here. It's already being done.

instead of needing labels to tell me whether organisms are the same or different.

"Clap your hands and we believe". Sorry. Science doesn't work that way. Yes, we DO need labels.

You on the other hand have to have a name tag to figure out whether a juniper tree is an armadillo or not.

Appearances can be deceiving. Just because two species look similar does not mean that they are related.

How we label or delineate "species" is irrelevant to whether evolution happened or not.

Once again bad terminology = bad science. You equate all 'genetic change' with evolution. This is wrong. Not all genetic changes are evolutionary changes.

Yes, it would make sense to define differences between organisms without using arbitrary lines based on abstract and fuzzy reasons.

As opposed to using even more arbitrary lines and even fuzzier reasons? Absolutely.

It's not necessary to do so to have evolution though.

Yes, actually it is. Go read Darwin. He explains it all in a little book you might have forgotten. I believe it's called the 'Origin of Species'. Wonder why.

[Kidlicious]

Ben is like an evil clown that isn't even funny.

[Tupac Shakur]

Are evil clowns usually funny?

[Kidlicious]

Are evil clowns usually funny?

I think it's hilarious that clowns are evil. How could an evil clown not be funny?

[Tupac Shakur]

Evidence (only linked to prevent unnecessary nightmares)

[Kidlicious]

"Excuse me, ma'am. Is your refrigerator running? *gasp* It IS? Well, you better go catch it before it runs away! A-ha! A-ha! A-ha! "