That Ordinary Kid Sure Can Play A Mean Pinball

[molly bloom]

South Africa's standard of living was better under apartheid than now. That's a fact.

No Sister Ben Goebbels, it ain't. You haven't provided a single bit of analysis or proof for any of your claims.

Why ? Because you're a mendacious sack of excrement who fawns over a regime which despised people because of their skin colour and ethnicity.

I'm sorry you don't like historical facts.

Pot, kettle. I provide them, you avoid them.

(Smuts had turned South Africa into a ) 'Jewish-imperialistic war machine'

Dr Malan, 1940

My party is glad to give expression to the sincere appreciation of the useful work done by the Greyshirts in one important aspect, viz. that they have pertinently drawn the attention of the people to the Jewish problem... we consider that a service has here been done to the nation which deserves recognition and perpetuation.

F. C. Erasmus, Secretary, Nationalist Party (later Minister of Defence & Minister of Justice! ) 1937

I teach a very different historiography than you

Indeed- file under works of fiction.

[molly bloom]

This is one of the douchiest posts I have ever read. Wow.

If I ever get round to caring about your opinion of me, I'll be sure to let you know.

[regexcellent]

Wow, molly's really bad at being passive-aggressive.

[Hauldren Collider]

Wow, molly's really bad at being passive-aggressive.

QFT. If he didn't actually care whether Drake thinks he's an idiot he would have just ignored Drake entirely.

Also it's really hard to be passive aggressive when your only trick is "you are wrong because I know more barely-relevant trivia than you, not because of any logical inconsistency in the statements that you have made".

[DaShi]

Calm down you two. Don't make me get the spray.

[Alexander's Horse]

^snicker^

[molly bloom]

QFT. If he didn't actually care whether Drake thinks he's an idiot he would have just ignored Drake entirely.

Incorrect. You might have done that, but as any of my friends will tell you, I'm kind to animals and give generously to charities.

"you are wrong because I know more barely-relevant trivia than you, not because of any logical inconsistency in the statements that you have made".

Barely relevant trivia ? How very amusing.

Like say, the plots of films you claim to have watched and then conveniently couldn't recall ? Or easily found facts about southern African history that escaped your attention ?

Likewise British, European and, well, vast tranches of world history it seems.

Still, no longer trotting out the 'autism' and 'google' routines, so you are actually educable, if only by being made to look consistently ignorant and ill-informed.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why ? Because you're a mendacious sack of excrement who fawns over a regime which despised people because of their skin colour and ethnicity

The argument, "South Africa had a higher living standard prior" implicitly assumes that I care about the welfare of everyone in South Africa.

You on the other hand believes that it's ok for black people to have a lower standard of living so long as their government isn't ran by white people.

Who's the real racist here?

As for evidence:

South Africa: 1979 (2,765 dollars GDP per capita)
South Africa: 2003 (2,445 dollars GDP per capita)

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2011/01/weodata/index.aspx

And that's prior to taking inflation into account.

If we look at inflation - that would be 8500 today.

In 2003 dollars that was 6900 dollars.

So from 1979 to 2003, the average person in South Africa has seen their standard of living drop to a third of what it used to be. Even today, South Africans are still poorer than they were in 1979. It was the highest standard of living in Africa.

[giblets]

The argument, "South Africa had a higher living standard prior" implicitly assumes that I care about the welfare of everyone in South Africa.

You on the other hand believes that it's ok for black people to have a lower standard of living so long as their government isn't ran by white people.

Who's the real racist here?

As for evidence:

South Africa: 1979 (2,765 dollars GDP per capita)
South Africa: 2003 (2,445 dollars GDP per capita)

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2011/01/weodata/index.aspx

And that's prior to taking inflation into account.

If we look at inflation - that would be 8500 today.

In 2003 dollars that was 6900 dollars.

So from 1979 to 2003, the average person in South Africa has seen their standard of living drop to a third of what it used to be. Even today, South Africans are still poorer than they were in 1979. It was the highest standard of living in Africa.

1. The link you posted doesn't provide the information you posted.
2. Wherever you got those figures, I am 99% certain that they were already inflation-adjusted to begin with. Adjusting for inflation twice is misleading.

[Ben Kenobi]

2. Wherever you got those figures, I am 99% certain that they were already inflation-adjusted to begin with. Adjusting for inflation twice is misleading.

Nope. These are not adjusted for inflation.

[giblets]

Nope. These are not adjusted for inflation.

Liar.

[Ben Kenobi]

Liar.

Whatever dude, that's just your opinion.

[giblets]

Whatever dude, that's just your opinion.

If you were telling the truth you could provide the source for those figures, so as to show that they really are in current dollars as you claim.

[DaShi]

Nope. These are not adjusted for inflation.

Every time you lie Satan has an orgasm.