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Personally I don't think that the overall culture of unpatriotic strife is race-related, at least not primarily. I don't doubt that there are racists who dislike Obama for being black; but I don't think it's the driving force, in part because it began well before Obama. Perhaps that has made it a little easier for many non-racists to dislike him; don't discount the clan factor here - it's easier to dislike someone who you don't identify with, and race plays a part there whether we like it or not.
But I think the strife dates back to 1994, or perhaps a bit earlier even (Reagan years? Before my time in terms of political awareness, though). It originated for two reasons, I'd guess; one, post-Soviet era we don't have anything to band together as a nation over, so we have more internal strife, and allow it to show on the surface more. Two, the Republican party realized it could have significant success with a strategy that included fairly aggressive campaigning at the local level (in the House in particular) and staunchly opposing every policy of the President so that they could present themselves as a better option. The Democrats had to change in a similar fashion in order to counter that strategy, leading to the current divisive political arena.
Even in 1994, though, there was still a genuine desire to work with the President to accomplish their goals once Newt and co. began their hundred days (as long as they did accomplish said goals). That doesn't seem to be there, anymore, and hasn't since 2000 or so. Rather too bad that the only thing that caused people to come together was 9/11, and that mostly just ended in expanding the state and restricting freedoms, rather than any great unified vision for improving America.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
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Originally posted by Guynemer View PostJesus tap dancing Christ, kentonio.
DinoDoc and I agree on almost nothing when it comes to politics. But do I think he is a racist? Not for a ****ing second.
Get a grip, man.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View PostHOWEVER, I do think ... that he is winking at racial animus against the President.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by Guynemer View PostJesus tap dancing Christ, kentonio.
DinoDoc and I agree on almost nothing when it comes to politics. But do I think he is a racist? Not for a ****ing second.
Get a grip, man.
Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay, Ay
Crazy, but that's how it goes
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe it's not too late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate
Mental wounds not healing
Life's a bitter shame
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
Let's Go!
I've listened to preachers
I've listened to fools
I've watched all the dropouts
Who make their own rules
One person conditioned to rule and control
The media sells it and you live the role
Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
I know that things are going wrong for me
You gotta listen to my words
Yeah
Heirs of a cold war
That's what we've become
Inheriting troubles I'm mentally numb
Crazy, I just cannot bear
I'm living with something' that just isn't fair
Mental wounds not healing
Who and what's to blame
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train
I'm going off the rails on a crazy train"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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I think you know better that:
that policy difference account for most of the so-called hate
Especially when you have a decent % of GOP folk thinking birther stuff.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View PostEspecially when you have a decent % of GOP folk thinking birther stuff.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Bad poll, it isn't clear whether they are saying 'Bush had been warned (but didn't believe it/etc)' or 'Bush knew and purposefully did nothing so that the US would get attacked'.
The first is arguable, the second not really.
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostBad poll, it isn't clear whether they are saying 'Bush had been warned (but didn't believe it/etc)' or 'Bush knew and purposefully did nothing so that the US would get attacked'.
The first is arguable, the second not really.
JMDemocrats and Trutherism
Last week, in one of the latest failed attempts to close the loop on political conspiracies, Ben Smith blogged one of the internals from the definitive 2006 Scripps poll on "9/11 Trutherism."
"How likely is it that people in the federal government either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East?" the poll asked.
A full 22.6% of Democrats said it was "very likely." Another 28.2% called it "somewhat likely."
This question is open to just a little misinterpretation. After all, it's well known, and true, that there were unspecific warnings about a mounting terrorist attack and they were not followed up on. But I've now seen the other questions and crosstabs from the poll. There were more specific conspiracy scenarios, and Democrats disproportionately agreed with them.
How likely is it that the Pentagon was not struck by an airliner captured by terrorists but instead was hit by a cruise missile fired by the United States military?
Only 11.9 percent of all voters believed that this was "somewhat" or "very" likely, but 21.1 percent of Democrats did.
How likely is it that the collapse of the Twin Towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the building?
A full 15.9 percent of all voters bought that; the number rose to 24.8 percent among Democrats.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Furthermore, if you want to use those poll results to state that Democrats irrationally hated Bush because they thought he valued oil profits over American lives, feel free.... as long as one can say that Republicans irrationally hate Obama because he's black (why else try to claim he was born somewhere else?)“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
I'm opposed to warfare in general, but okay with it if it involves super-intelligent robots. Maybe someday we can have drone politicians as well.
(I oppose drones mostly because they make it possible to prolong the stupid WoT virtually forever)
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Also, given the frothing-at-the-mouth hatred directed at the last two presidents--and the toxicity of U.S. politics in general--it's totally unnecessary to assume racism.
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The most interesting part of the birther thing to me was that it was John McCain that really had the questionable birth credentials to be President."I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
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"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
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