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  • "Let me be perfectly clear...make no mistake about it": Syria Edition

    Blink and you’ll miss it, but President Obama just revised and extended his “red line” for stopping Bashar Assad from using chemical weapons against Syrian civilians.

    “We cannot stand by and permit the systematic use of weapons like chemical weapons on civilian populations,” Obama said today, per Reuters’ Jeff Mason. It was Obama’s first comments about what he acknowledged was a potential “game changer” since his White House acknowledged yesterday that U.S. intelligence considers reports of chemical weapons use in Syria credible.

    The key word in that statement is systematic. The surprise White House acknowledgement, in a letter to senators yesterday, said that the Syrian regime used chemical weapons, particularly sarin gas “on a small scale.” Danger Room reported that the evidence underlying the U.S. intelligence assessment included blood samples that indicated the effects of sarin. Behind the scenes, as Danger Room has earlier reported, the Obama administration has spotted Assad prepping its chemical stocks for use last year, and attempted to block shipments of precursor chemicals.



    He promises to wag his finger even harder if the Syrians don't stop. And then who knows what will happen?

    When politicians make commitments on the international stage and fail to follow through, other people just don't take them seriously. It invites risk-taking from the risk-prone and reckless and the usual (mistaken) "America is a paper tiger that won't prevent us from acting" assessments. These are the mistakes the English and the French made prior to WW2 and they were part of what induced Hitler to believe that they would not declare war if he invaded Poland.

    This kind of baloney only leads to more reckless behaviour to confront further down the line.

    This isn't entirely about Syria: it's also about Iran, North Korea, China and Russia, not to mention other assorted players in the Middle East.

    Ironically, it is unlikely that a Syrian intervention would do much good at this stage. More likely, it would install American enemies into power--groups aligned with Al Qaeda, or possibly the Muslim Brotherhood.

    Which is more dangerous: a paper tiger or a mistaken engagement in Syria to salvage pride and assert "deterrence" towards other enemies? Heaven knows.
    "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

  • #2
    Originally posted by Zevico View Post
    Ironically, it is unlikely that a Syrian intervention would do much good at this stage. More likely, it would install American enemies into power--groups aligned with Al Qaeda, or possibly the Muslim Brotherhood.
    Yes, it would be stupid to do more than Obama is doing. Glad you can see that. (Or perhaps you want him to condone the use of chemical weapons?)

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    • #3
      Obama is full of "he must do this" but rather lacking in "or else".
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Aeson View Post
        (Or perhaps you want him to condone the use of chemical weapons?)
        Isn't that what he is doing with the bold red line statement and then going back on it when said line is crossed?
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        • #5
          No blood for Oil!

          Is this Bush's fault too?!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
            Obama is full of "he must do this" but rather lacking in "or else".
            So... Or else ?
            "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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            • #7
              When did Republicans become so ****ing stupid? "Obama, should be more aggressive and threaten Syria if they use WMD!" "Attacking Syria would be stupid and counterproductive!" "Syria used WMD and Obama isn't attacking them so HE IS WEAK!!".

              Ffs, America does not have the power to magically resolve every situation on the damn planet. Sometimes all a President can sensibly do is try and try and use threats and diplomacy to project power, and yes sometimes it doesn't work out that well. There's every chance that we'll end up seeing some form of US intervention in Syria over the coming year, but this idea that he should immediately carpet bomb Damascus or something is just retarded.

              I ask you this you right-wingers, say Romney was in the White House right now, how exactly would you want him to deal with the Syria crisis? You're all tripping over yourselves to attack Obama on his strategy, so please inform us of a better one.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                Isn't that what he is doing with the bold red line statement and then going back on it when said line is crossed?
                Perhaps you should get a dictionary and look up what "condone" means.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                  Perhaps you should get a dictionary and look up what "condone" means.
                  The use of chemical weapons by Syria would be a game changer. - Obama. No, wait, I didn't really mean that. - Obama after chemical weapons are used.

                  What would you call this?
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                    "Syria used WMD and Obama isn't attacking them so HE IS WEAK!!".
                    This is the inevitable accusation after one lays down such a clear and unequivocal marker down and then starts equivocating after his bluff was called. If he didn't want to get involved he shouldn't have said the use of chemical weapons would lead to intervention.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      LOL kentonio will defend Obama no matter what.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kentonio View Post
                        When did Republicans become so ****ing stupid? "Obama, should be more aggressive and threaten Syria if they use WMD!" "Attacking Syria would be stupid and counterproductive!" "Syria used WMD and Obama isn't attacking them so HE IS WEAK!!".

                        Ffs, America does not have the power to magically resolve every situation on the damn planet. Sometimes all a President can sensibly do is try and try and use threats and diplomacy to project power, and yes sometimes it doesn't work out that well. There's every chance that we'll end up seeing some form of US intervention in Syria over the coming year, but this idea that he should immediately carpet bomb Damascus or something is just retarded.

                        I ask you this you right-wingers, say Romney was in the White House right now, how exactly would you want him to deal with the Syria crisis? You're all tripping over yourselves to attack Obama on his strategy, so please inform us of a better one.
                        It boils down to two things: are we going to back our words (and yes, I will leave that dangling there ), and do the use of chemical weapons mean anything?

                        Obama has already laid down the line. The "threat" is already out there. Does he back it up in some way, or does he pretend it didn't happen? Iran and North Korea are watching, this isn't happening in a vacuum.
                        No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                          It boils down to two things: are we going to back our words (and yes, I will leave that dangling there ), and do the use of chemical weapons mean anything?

                          Obama has already laid down the line. The "threat" is already out there. Does he back it up in some way, or does he pretend it didn't happen? Iran and North Korea are watching, this isn't happening in a vacuum.
                          None of this has been decided yet. You are worrying about imaginary issues that aren't even as big a deal as you think they are.
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                          • #14
                            republicans just wanna see obama get into a pointless, idiotic war so that bush won't be the worst president ever

                            obama has a long way to go for that title
                            he needs to fail at TWO wars
                            and cause the worst economic crisis in almost a hundred years
                            and fail to stop the worst terrorist attack on american soil
                            and be buddy buddy with the bin laden family (who is the real secret muslim president, eh?)

                            and be an absolute moron to boot

                            poor republicans
                            To us, it is the BEAST.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                              This is the inevitable accusation after one lays down such a clear and unequivocal marker down and then starts equivocating after his bluff was called. If he didn't want to get involved he shouldn't have said the use of chemical weapons would lead to intervention.
                              Did Obama define exactly what action would result from Syria crossing that red line? Specifically?

                              Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                              LOL kentonio will defend Obama no matter what.
                              Ironic considering I don't think he's a particularly good President.

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