Habemas Papem!

[kentonio]

Selection for survival isn't the same thing as selection for intelligence sweetheart.

Yes, I'm sorry to have to tell you that it is.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Unless intelligence confers an advantage for survival. In the right ecosystems, it does. In other ecosystems, it doesn't.

[Kidlicious]

Evolution is a result of environment. It's not random.

Wrong. You have to have the environment of course. But just because you have the environment doesn't mean you will get evolution, otherwise why are there not more intelligent species on this planet.

[Kidlicious]

When you lose your car keys, do you glance at a single patch of floor right in front of you, and then decide that as they obviously aren't there, that they're lost for ever? Your reasoning makes no sense.

No, but after I spend a billion dollars I'm gonna assume they aren't there.

[kentonio]

Wrong. You have to have the environment of course. But just because you have the environment doesn't mean you will get evolution, otherwise why are there not more intelligent species on this planet.

There are many, many intelligent species on this planet, you're using an extremely arbitrary definition of 'intelligent'. If you just narrow the band down until it basically just means humans, then you're never going to see anything other than us.

[kentonio]

No, but after I spend a billion dollars I'm gonna assume they aren't there.

Which doesn't really make any sense. You sound like a Roman Emperor declaring that because he's spent a treasure room full of gold trying to reach the moon, that reaching the moon is therefore impossible.

[Kidlicious]

Unless intelligence confers an advantage for survival. In the right ecosystems, it does. In other ecosystems, it doesn't.

We aren't even intelligent enough to survive. We will probably end up killing ourselves, and the cockroaches will take over.

[kentonio]

We aren't even intelligent enough to survive. We will probably end up killing ourselves, and the cockroaches will take over.

Funnily enough, you just accidentally used one of the arguments in favour of intelligent life being common.

[Kidlicious]

There are many, many intelligent species on this planet, you're using an extremely arbitrary definition of 'intelligent'. If you just narrow the band down until it basically just means humans, then you're never going to see anything other than us.

Yeah, well, a chimpanzee isn't intelligent just because he can stick a weed down a hole to get food.

[giblets]

Which doesn't really make any sense. You sound like a Roman Emperor declaring that because he's spent a treasure room full of gold trying to reach the moon, that reaching the moon is therefore impossible.

So essentially trying to find intelligent extraterrestrials is a futile money hole and we should wait another 2000 years before trying again?

[kentonio]

Yeah, well, a chimpanzee isn't intelligent just because he can stick a weed down a hole to get food.

Yes he is.

So essentially trying to find intelligent extraterrestrials is a futile money hole and we should wait another 2000 years before trying again?

Logically probably yes, but selfishly I'd rather we keep trying.

[Kidlicious]

Which doesn't really make any sense. You sound like a Roman Emperor declaring that because he's spent a treasure room full of gold trying to reach the moon, that reaching the moon is therefore impossible.

If so then you are like a Roman Emperor who thinks that he can fly to the moon. It was reasonable to conclude during that era that going to the moon was impossible. In this era it is reasonable to assume that there is no intelligent life on others planets, just like it's reasonable to conclude that unicorns don't exist, but don't let me make you feel uncomfortable. Just go on with your fantasy.

[Sava]

When did Kidicious become such a moron? Or is this just trolling?

[kentonio]

I'm starting to think he must just be trolling.

[Kidlicious]

Yes he is.

Liberal pshchobabbel.