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  • FINALLY! The Feds finally look set to punish some of the financial sector wrong doing even if only in a tiny tangential way.

    I'm sure they very worst case scenario is a slap on the wrist with no one going to jail but at least they've finally been made to make a token effort to punish corporate malfeasance which caused the bubble and crash. My guess this winds up as being nothing but window dressing and is settled out of court for a tiny symbolic "fine". We wouldn't want to upset the biggest lobbying group in Washington now would we?

    Reports: U.S. Plans To Sue S&P Over Mortgage Bonds Ratings

    The United States and some states are planning to sue Standard & Poor's Ratings Services over what they say were the faulty ratings of mortgage bonds leading up to the 2008 financial collapse.
    The Wall Street Journal broke the news citing "people familiar with the matter," and The New York York Times is pinning its reporting on S&P, which tells the newspaper it is expecting a lawsuit.
    The Wall Street Journal explains:
    "The likely move by U.S. officials would be the first federal enforcement action against a credit-rating firm for alleged illegal behavior related to the crisis. Several state attorneys general are expected to join the case, making it one of the highest-profile and widest-ranging enforcement crisis-era crackdowns.
    "The expected civil charges against S&P follow the breakdown of long-running settlement talks between the Justice Department and S&P, the people said.
    "Many details of the looming enforcement action couldn't be immediately determined, such as why prosecutors are zeroing in on S&P rather than rivals Moody's Corp. and Fitch Ratings, a unit of Fimalac SA and Hearst Corp."

    Update at 2:52 p.m. ET. Without 'Legal Merit':
    S&P issued a statement saying a lawsuit from Justice, "would be entirely without factual or legal merit."
    The New York Times reports that by bringing a civil suit as opposed to criminal suit, "the Justice Department's burden of proof will be less, perhaps lowering the bar for a successful prosecution."
    This would be the first federal enforcement action against the credit rating agency, which some criticize of giving a rosy picture of the mortgage bonds market before its collapse.


    My guess is it went something like "Boss, a handful of states appear like they're still going to try to do something to punish our fat cat banker friends for all their criminal acts. We've delayed them for five years and we've tried to talk them out of it so how about we pretend to go along with it just so we can water everything down and protect the bankers as much as possible?"
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  • #2
    My guess it's something like payback.
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    • #3
      Ahh good ol' 'non-partisan' Oerdin.
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      • #4
        God damn it! Ben, no one cares what you think!
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        • #5
          Funning thing about it is that Fitch is probably more culpable than S&P.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
            Ahh good ol' 'non-partisan' Oerdin.
            I was criticiszing the administration, jack ass!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PLATO View Post
              Funning thing about it is that Fitch is probably more culpable than S&P.
              Fitch hasn't downgraded its credit rating for US federal debt yet. They'll get theirs when they do.

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              • #8
                Moody's was a joke too. The markets completely ignored all three when it all hit the fan in 2008 so it's dubious to claim that the S&P rating mattered much either way.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                  Ahh good ol' 'non-partisan' Oerdin.
                  How can Oerdin be partisan with his post if both political parties are in bed with these scumbags?
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                  • #10
                    It's because Ben doesn't really care about silly things like reading.
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                    • #11
                      The real problem here is that the ratings company's usually assign a team to a certain lender and then everybody gets all Buddy-buddy.
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                      • #12
                        I love how, in the NYT article about this, they keep saying "The penalty would wipe out [owner of S&P] McGraw Hill's profits for an entire year!" as if that means it's too harsh a penalty... sigh.

                        I'm not sure if I'm on Oerdin's side on this or not, as I don't know much about the actual culpability of the ratings agencies; but if they are culpable, a year's profits seem like a light penalty to me considering the harm.
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                        • #13
                          Seems like a chilling effect on First Amendment. Drop our rating, you shall pay. Don't even think about a second downgrade.
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                          • #14
                            I don't think anyone is suggesting that's actually what's happening, Ogie. But if you want to keep your tinfoil hat on, be my guest.
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                            • #15
                              Ok. Tin foil on. Its not as if it wasn't well reported and speculated at the time.

                              http://abcnews.go.com/Business/stand...ry?id=14332010
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