We need an armed guard on every firetruck

[Kidlicious]

So innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply when guilt by association is the law of the land? Y'all didn't explain how you can do that to people without dumping all over those constitutional protections you want for yourselves.

Democracy is supported by the premise that the common man is reasonable. You folks who cling to the constitution and don't use reason are arguing against democracy.

[Kidlicious]

reg's actually right on that one. Like a broken clock, it's right twice a day.

I can't be arsed to look up all the links, but FBI/DoJ crime statistics database bears out what reg posted.

Those statistics have already been posted in this thread somewhere and they don't seem to say that. Even if it were so, I don't see a difference between murdering someone because they are in a rival gang and murdering your mother and a bunch of children at the school she worked at, or shooting your brother for sleeping with your wife, or any other reason people choose to kill for.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Those statistics have already been posted in this thread somewhere and they don't seem to say that. Even if it were so, I don't see a difference between murdering someone because they are in a rival gang and murdering your mother and a bunch of children at the school she worked at, or shooting your brother for sleeping with your wife, or any other reason people choose to kill for.

It's not essential that you see the difference. It is essential for people (e.g. law enforcement, judicial system, mental health and other community services) who are involved in crime prevention/reduction efforts to see the difference.

[Felch]

Democracy is supported by the premise that the common man is reasonable. You folks who cling to the constitution and don't use reason are arguing against democracy.

America was never meant to be a democracy, and you're the reason why.

[BlackCat]

reg's actually right on that one. Like a broken clock, it's right twice a day.

I can't be arsed to look up all the links, but FBI/DoJ crime statistics database bears out what reg posted.

Nope, he's worse than a broken clock

Less than 20 % are crime related and approx half is civil disputes FBI

[MichaeltheGreat]

Nope, he's worse than a broken clock

Less than 20 % are crime related and approx half is civil disputes FBI

He lumped those together.

[PLATO]

I've always found myself being more polite when speaking to people holding a gun.

The U.S. already has one of the highest, if not highest, percentage of its population in prison.

The problem isn't people with guns...it is a cultural breakdown.

More laws aren't needed...more effort needs to be put into breaking the cycle of violence and hopelessness that fuels all types of violence.

I dare say that if the killer in CT had doused the kids with gasoline and set them afire that no one would be discussing banning gasoline...they would be discussing the real issue (hopefully!)

[DaShi]

reg's actually right on that one. Like a broken clock, it's right twice a day.

I can't be arsed to look up all the links, but FBI/DoJ crime statistics database bears out what reg posted.

reg is on military time.

[BlackCat]

I've always found myself being more polite when speaking to people holding a gun.

The U.S. already has one of the highest, if not highest, percentage of its population in prison.

The problem isn't people with guns...it is a cultural breakdown.

More laws aren't needed...more effort needs to be put into breaking the cycle of violence and hopelessness that fuels all types of violence.

I dare say that if the killer in CT had doused the kids with gasoline and set them afire that no one would be discussing banning gasoline...they would be discussing the real issue (hopefully!)

You are in some way right, but it's not sane to say that US has a more violent trait and that is the reason that these things happens. That is common to most societies around the world. The difference is that in the US you have free and unlimited acces to effective killing tools. You mention gasoline but forget that every human being is equipped with dangerous killing tools such as teeth and nails though barely uses those. Guns, on the other hand are a simple and distancing tool that only has one purpose - killing - and has neen honed over the years to be more and more effective.

As long as guns are tolerated in the society, there will be more of the latest murders and it's the price that a society have to pay as long as they accept free acces to such.

[BlackCat]

He lumped those together.

Well, lumping together dying of old age, swamp fever and people dying from living close to smokers it's easy to prove that second hand smoking will kill you

I'm not claiming that reg is dishonest, just that he's mindlessly spouting the fallacies repeatedly claimed by the NRA nutcases

[Kidlicious]

America was never meant to be a democracy, and you're the reason why.

Well it is now.

[BlackCat]

Well it is now.

Yup, the leader in a twoparty state where the winner are chosen by those that contribute most money surely must be a democracy

[Kidlicious]

Yup, the leader in a twoparty state where the winner are chosen by those that contribute most money surely must be a democracy

I don't care which party he runs for or how much money he raises, he can't win without people voting for him.

[BlackCat]

True, that is democracy, but isn't the outcome of US elections decided on the amount of money poured into the election

[Hauldren Collider]

Empirically, no.