Or no, wait, even better idea. Instead of making America better, let's just keep lowering ourselves to our opponent's level. That's better than reforming a corrupt system, or trying to actually improve how things are done.
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Originally posted by Krill View PostThe politicians have no moral basis to complain. The voting public OTOH, especially the independents and floating voters...John Brown did nothing wrong.
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Originally posted by Felch View PostOr no, wait, even better idea. Instead of making America better, let's just keep lowering ourselves to our opponent's level. That's better than reforming a corrupt system, or trying to actually improve how things are done.
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostInstead they do what they must to keep the field vaguely even,
and then 'people' like you
stop their efforts to prevent the problem with this ridiculous 'they both do it, so they can't complain' nonsense. Ridiculous.John Brown did nothing wrong.
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Originally posted by Felch View PostYou mean rig elections?
Originally posted by FelchI don't know why you have quotes around the word people. Are you implying that I'm not human?
Originally posted by FelchWhat efforts? The Democratic Party has not taken any stand whatsoever against gerrymandering. I'm not stopping their efforts, I'm pointing out that both sides are wrong.
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostWhich party took it all the way to the Supreme Court?
The Democratic Party has not taken a stand against gerrymandering. They sued when it hurt them, but they happily carve up safe districts whenever they can get away with it. But you're okay with rigging elections, so obviously you're not interested in truth or decency.John Brown did nothing wrong.
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I voted no on Question 5. Not a whole lot else I can do when the elections in my state are being rigged. Unless you're saying that I should grab my rifle and start killing lawmakers.John Brown did nothing wrong.
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http://www.salon.com/2012/07/25/the_...n_science/?tml
Ah, I think I understand now. Guns are so safe that under no circumstances must anyone research just how safe they are..
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You can't compare guns/weapons with alcohol, cars, etc. if it's about killing / destructing lives.
A weapon's main purpose is to kill or to harm. A side purpose is to scare away. But intimidation and aggression are the purpose of a weapon.
How terrible it may be, any killing done by alcohol/cars/etc. is still a side effect of the product, and not the main purpose.
If we ban alcohol and cars, then that would destroy more then it would save. People enjoy alcohol and people need cars to get somewhere.
If we ban weapons, then the only result will be that less people will be killed/harmed.Formerly known as "CyberShy"
Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori
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Originally posted by Robert Plomp View PostYou can't compare guns/weapons with alcohol, cars, etc. if it's about killing / destructing lives.
A weapon's main purpose is to kill or to harm.
A side purpose is to scare away. But intimidation and aggression are the purpose of a weapon.
How terrible it may be, any killing done by alcohol/cars/etc. is still a side effect of the product, and not the main purpose.
If we ban alcohol and cars, then that would destroy more then it would save. People enjoy alcohol and people need cars to get somewhere.
If we ban weapons, then the only result will be that less people will be killed/harmed.
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Originally posted by regexcellent View PostI don't own either of my guns to kill or harm, although self defense is a legitimate reason to own a gun.
Originally posted by regexcellent View PostThat is emphatically false. Banning guns won't stop any criminals who want them from getting them. What is it with Europeans and thinking that laws magically solve our problems?
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostIf I buy a hand grenade for an ornament or paperweight, that does not change the hand grenades primary purpose as a method of killing people.
Because we have those laws and we don't have many of your problems?
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostYes, you have different and worse problems.
Originally posted by regexcellent View PostAlso emphatically false. Moreover, there isn't a causal relationship between you not having rights and having less gun crime.
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