[AWB]Dems prep ground for 2014 Electoral Defeat

[kentonio]

They don't have the gun/gang problems that you do*.

*NZ does actually have gang problems, just not like Americas.

[Felch]

It's endlessly amusing how when it comes to guns, you pro gun rights folks seem so ready to point to examples from second and third world countries. Oh by what about the slums of India! Oh but what about the violence in Somalia or Honduras! You folks must have such a high regard for your own country to look for comparisons in some of the ****tiest spots on the planet instead of say.. the other rich first world countries where your comparisons might have some actual point.

There are parts of America that bear a strong resemblance to third world countries. It keeps us on our toes.

[regexcellent]

They don't have the gun/gang problems that you do*.

*NZ does actually have gang problems, just not like Americas.

Gangs do not use suppressors and they never have and they never will!

Suppressors being the correct term because they don't actually make things silent at all. The quietest suppressed guns are still around 125 dB or so. That's with specialized subsonic ammunition. They're also outside of a street hood's price point. Criminals use things like Hi-points because they are ridiculously cheap (and badly designed, and badly made; don't get one). Suppressors are big. Suppressors are heavy. You can't easily shove a gun with a suppressor on it in your waistband.

Hollywood assassins using suppressed rifles to silently kill politicians from the rooftops don't exist in real life either. If Lee Harvey Oswald had had one on his Carcano people would still have heard him.

[kentonio]

The danger of a silencer on the streets is not that it completely silences a weapon but that it doesn't sound like a gun. When people hear a suppressed weapon, they are much less likely to realize what it is and go running to dial 911. As for what they are intended for, they were intended for assassination pure and simple. Trying to proliferate them as a protection for children's hearing is so revoltingly foul as to beggar belief.

[Hauldren Collider]

No, they are not intended for assassination. They are intended for indoor use without blowing your eardrums or to keep from pissing off your neighbors. You're just wrong, ken.

[Hauldren Collider]

Case in point: SWAT teams use silencers on guns so that when they storm buildings they don't lose their hearing.

[kentonio]

No, they are not intended for assassination. They are intended for indoor use without blowing your eardrums or to keep from pissing off your neighbors. You're just wrong, ken.

Go read up on what they were invented for and then come back and admit you're an idiot.

[Hauldren Collider]

I don't care what they were invented for. What are they used for?

[regexcellent]

The danger of a silencer on the streets is not that it completely silences a weapon but that it doesn't sound like a gun. When people hear a suppressed weapon, they are much less likely to realize what it is and go running to dial 911. As for what they are intended for, they were intended for assassination pure and simple. Trying to proliferate them as a protection for children's hearing is so revoltingly foul as to beggar belief.

You really shouldn't try to argue this with someone who actually has experience with firearms that are suppressed. Most people don't know what a gun really sounds like anyway, and a shotgun sounds very different from a rifle sounds very different from a handgun. Revolvers and automatics sound different too.

And like I said before, they're outside the price point of criminals.

WHICH IS WHY IT IS NOT SENSIBLE TO REGULATE THEM

[Felch]

I don't care what they were invented for. What are they used for?

You fool. Don't you realize that because computers were invented for code breaking and calculating artillery tables, that it is physically impossible to use them for any other purpose?

[regexcellent]

Yeah, why do you need a computer? If we let computers proliferate anyone will be able to encrypt information! Even criminals! Why do you need a computer?

We need to ban military style sniper weapons like Remington 700s with Nikon scopes. They're meant for assassinations.

Italian milsurp must go too, obviously.

[giblets]

To help me exercise the second amendment with my artillery, duh.

[kentonio]

You really shouldn't try to argue this with someone who actually has experience with firearms that are suppressed. Most people don't know what a gun really sounds like anyway, and a shotgun sounds very different from a rifle sounds very different from a handgun. Revolvers and automatics sound different too.

You're being retarded, you're basically arguing that the very reason suppressors were invented (ie to suppress the sound of gunfire) does not offer an advantage for suppressing the sounds of gunfire.

And like I said before, they're outside the price point of criminals.

WHICH IS WHY IT IS NOT SENSIBLE TO REGULATE THEM

Yes because unregulated items are much more likely to hold their current price point than if you deregulate them..

[regexcellent]

Joke about my dick being artillery and internet porn calculating semen trajectory here

[kentonio]

Oh and I just checked prices on suppressors, looks like they start at about $400. Good thing no criminal ever had 400 bucks..