[AWB]Dems prep ground for 2014 Electoral Defeat

[Lonestar]

History suggests you have a greater likelihood of winning the next Power ball than this supposition does of coming true.

Eh, we had two crazed gunmen in one week and "shots fired" at a LA Mall on Saturday.

By the way, There's a line of thought that suggests that mass-media saturation of these sort of things induces copycats in the short term. Since Friday the news cycle has been fixated on the shooting and gun control.


One such guy who thinks this

"He takes an equally severe attitude to news shows. Twice, he appeared on CNN in the middle of a sensational murder case and warned the network that if it didn't tone down their coverage it would lead to further crimes. On another occasion, he told a production team from 20/20, a magazine show on ABC, that he would not participate in a programme reconstructing a workplace shooting because he feared their approach would encourage copycats. The programme went out on a Friday; by the following Tuesday there had been two fresh mass murders in other parts of the United States.

"Here's my hypothesis," he said. "Saturation-level news coverage of mass murder causes, on average, one more mass murder in the next two weeks." The reason, he says, has something to do with the USA's size. In a country so large the likelihood of one or two people snapping becomes quite high.

"It's not that the news coverage made the person paranoid, or armed, or suicidally depressed," Dietz said. "But you've got to imagine this small number of people sitting at home, with guns on their lap and a hit list in their mind. They feel willing to die. When they watch the coverage of a school shooting or a workplace mass murder, it only takes one or two of them to say - 'that guy is just like me, that's the solution to my problem, that's what I'll do tomorrow'. The point is that the media coverage moves them a little closer to the action.

"Is that causation? Legally, maybe not. Epidemiologically, yes," he said."

[DinoDoc]

By the way, There's a line of thought that suggests that mass-media saturation of these sort of things induces copycats in the short term. Since Friday the news cycle has been fixated on the shooting and gun control.

These are the same sorts of people blaming Halo 4 for the Newtown shooting.

[MichaeltheGreat]

I'm more interested in learning the argument for this ban since the last one produced no measurable decrease in the murder rate and the Columbine attack happened while it was in effect.

It's the same argument as 99% of all political initiatives. It makes a subset of the base feel good, without actually passing or having a real effect on anyone else, so they don't get adequately pissed off enough to do anything about it.

[DinoDoc]

It's the same argument as 99% of all political initiatives. It makes a subset of the base feel good, without actually passing or having a real effect on anyone else, so they don't get adequately pissed off enough to do anything about it.

It's an issue they've championed in the past much to their political regret. I'm unsure the political reality has changed that much to allow this to be a political winner in the long term.

[Lonestar]

These are the same sorts of people blaming Halo 4 for the Newtown shooting.

Doubt it. For instance, blaming stuff on video games and movies is something that Roger Ebert refused to do, but he was more than happy to say crazed gunmen want to be copycats.

[Lonestar]

Also, the "argument for the Ban" is that DiFi doesn't like scary Black Guns and neither do that San Franciscans who elected her.

[DinoDoc]

I will freely admit that it took me a second to work out who or what DiFi was.

[Hauldren Collider]

Not sure how I got roped into this.

Neither am I, though now that I have seen DaShi's post (I have him on ignore) I will address him:

Simply agreeing with Kuciwalker doesn't mean I am parroting him, idiot. Sometimes when I post I don't feel like retreading severely trodden ground from other threads again, I only want to disrupt the circlejerk to remind people that there exist alternative points of view.


DaShi, I have just looked at your last twenty posts. You still seem to have the bizarre and pathetic fixation on me that you had when I first put you on ignore about a year (maybe two?) ago. You need a hobby.

[Lonestar]

I will freely admit that it took me a second to work out who or what DiFi was.

Lost about 10 friends(all from the HS I went to in SF) this week on FB, apparently because I'm willing to,say, do something to prevent firearms out of the hands of established nutters like Lanza, but unwilling extend any bans I'm a baby-killer.

Likewise, some navy buddies have accused me of backing STEP ONE TO SEIZING ERR GERNS because I said "at some point the doc on Lanza's case should have had the power to deny him access to firearms".

Simple minds do not grok nuanced positions.

[Hauldren Collider]

More evidence San Francisco just sucks.

[DinoDoc]

Likewise, some navy buddies have accused me of backing STEP ONE TO SEIZING ERR GERNS because I said "at some point the doc on Lanza's case should have had the power to deny him access to firearms".

In the doc's defense, it was the mom buying the guns. The doc if any were actually treating him (or the family if not) should have had him committed earlier.

[Lonestar]

In the doc's defense, it was the mom buying the guns. The doc if any were actually treating him (or the family if not) should have had him committed earlier.

Doc should have been able to tell the Mom "If your son is staying with you, you need to show to the court's satisfaction that you have secured the weapons on premise or that they are off the premises".

I have in mind(as an example) such as if a son is on probation or parole, and part of the terms are no access to firearms, then the Parents that take him in have to ensure to the courts satisfaction that the son doesn't have access to firearms. I'm actually thinking of a very specific instance with my extended family where that occurred.

[regexcellent]

In terms of gun control, I would happily trade the so-called "gun show loophole," and add safe and trigger lock requirements, for a reopening of the machine gun registry for .22 caliber SMGs and either a reduction of the fees for SBR/SBS or a shorting of SBR/SBS length by 2 inches to 14"/16" respectively.

[MichaeltheGreat]

More evidence San Francisco just sucks.

Uhh, she's not elected by San Francisco. It's not like the California Republican Party tries real hard to win statewide elections here. I mean, Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina? WTF is that? And they're the top tier of candidates that the Republican party scrapes up here.

[MichaeltheGreat]

In the doc's defense, it was the mom buying the guns. The doc if any were actually treating him (or the family if not) should have had him committed earlier.

Except we have yet to see any real evidence of behavior that would justify pre-emptive involuntary commitment to a mental health facility.