[AWB]Dems prep ground for 2014 Electoral Defeat

[Dinner]

The limits on magazine size are another one which is widely popular and widely supported.

[Lonestar]

The limits on magazine size are another one which is widely popular and widely supported.

Not among gun owners, who would the ones affected by it.

And, you know, if it's a "public safety" thing then most firearm homicides use less than 5 bullets, so in that case we might as well go straight to single-shot weapons only.

[Lonestar]

That Republicans have had to resort to lying about the bill, just like they did with "the secret death panels", just tells me they know their position is weak and contrary to public opinion.

What did they lie about?

[Guynemer]

I believe he was referring to claims that it would create a massive federal gun registry, and that it would criminalize transfers of firearms between family members.

[-Jrabbit]

It's like the Brady Bunch just give you talking points and you were set loose on the Interwebs.

Another glib deflection. WTF does that even mean?

The NRA is a highly organized group, rated the 3rd most effective political lobbying organization in Washington, with annual income in excess of $200 million. They carry both 501(c)(3) and 501(c)(4) tax exemptions.
What you sneeringly call the "Brady Bunch" is not an organization at all and as such, has no ability to create or disseminate talking points. It is, apparently, just your term for people who disagree with you.

Your fixation on "impulsive criminal acquisition of assault weaponry" kinda shows just how little you know about firearms and how most people go about buying them.

What fixation? My concern is with "criminal acquisition." That's why I weighed in on background checks. I support them. But feel free to focus on the term "assault weaponry" and to denigrate any opinion you disagree with as ill-informed. It's almost as convincing as using "would it have stopped Sandy Hook?" as a litmus test for any and all proposed legislation.

Yeah, that's real debating!

[The Mad Monk]

The limits on magazine size are another one which is widely popular and widely supported.

Yes, but the support on that side is 'meh' support, not 'outraged' support like on the other side.

[The Mad Monk]

Another glib deflection. WTF does that even mean?

The NRA is a highly organized group, rated the 3rd most effective political lobbying organization in Washington, with annual income in excess of $200 million.

Bloomberg, all by himself, has spent $12 million on advertising alone. We don't know what he has spent on lobbying.

[DinoDoc]

What fixation? My concern is with "criminal acquisition."

Then why the fixation on gun shows? A 2001 BJS report found that only .8% of inmates were found to have acquired the gun they used in that fashion.

[Guynemer]

So that makes it okay then!

[regexcellent]

Almost all transactions at gun shows are performed with background checks.

Prohibited possessors don't just walk into a gun show and purchase a gun. They send a friend or family member with no record to do it for them. That's illegal and it's called a straw purchase.

[kentonio]

Then why the fixation on gun shows? A 2001 BJS report found that only .8% of inmates were found to have acquired the gun they used in that fashion.

So 10,000 gun murders a year means you'd potentially only save 800 lives a year by fixing it. Clearly not worth bothering with then..

[regexcellent]

No, you wouldn't, they'd just buy a gun the easier way: by circumventing background checks with a straw purchase.

[kentonio]

No, you wouldn't, they'd just buy a gun the easier way: by circumventing background checks with a straw purchase.

Sure, criminals will always just find another way to commit crimes, so why bother trying to stop them.

[regexcellent]

More like, criminals don't obey the law, so passing a law which is eminently unenforceable will not prevent criminals from committing other crimes.

[kentonio]

Which is nonsensical as straw purchases would require someone else to help them thus making it much more difficult. Not every criminal has someone willing to risk jail time to help them procure weapons.