School Shooting

[molly bloom]

What makes you think the government won't try to enslave people?

That whole guaranteed gun ownership thing certainly came through for Japanese Americans, didn't it ? And was really useful deterring the spread of Jim Crow laws, and maintaining the voting rights of black Americans. And enabling American citizens to voluntarily create and join trade unions.

All those gun owners out there were certainly instrumental in defending the civil rights of their fellow American citizens- and if any future pinko Commie Democrat dictatorship thinks of enslaving (how ironic) the American people, then I'm sure that the Posse Comitatus and the N.R.A. et al. will be the vanguard of the truly democratic resistance.

[molly bloom]

Europe hasn't even been democratic for fifty years.

Yeah, 'cos 'Europe' is really just one country, with one government and one set of laws. By the way, what was that whole thing with African Americans being denied civil rights in the U.S. ?

And weren't voters denied their right to vote by the state in Florida, as recently just over a decade ago ? Well, let's face it- most seem to have been poor, African American, or ex-offenders legally entitled to vote- and they probably wouldn't have voted the right way anyway.


If only they'd all possessed grenade launchers!

Oh yeah, and gun control worked really well during the Troubles, didn't it? etc....

And yet another American joins the long list of those who've said incredibly stupid things about Northern Ireland.

[molly bloom]

I bet you could kill a lot of people if you careened through Trafalgar Square in a truck.

I'm amazed you managed to get out of the womb, let alone into university.

[regexcellent]

Wait are you actually disputing the idea that driving a very large vehicle at high speed through an area densely populated with pedestrians wouldn't kill or injure a lot of people?

As for getting into college, 2230 on my SATs, 5s on AP exams like AP Physics C, and good grades in high school certainly helped.

[MichaeltheGreat]

That whole guaranteed gun ownership thing certainly came through for Japanese Americans, didn't it ? And was really useful deterring the spread of Jim Crow laws, and maintaining the voting rights of black Americans. And enabling American citizens to voluntarily create and join trade unions.

All those gun owners out there were certainly instrumental in defending the civil rights of their fellow American citizens- and if any future pinko Commie Democrat dictatorship thinks of enslaving (how ironic) the American people, then I'm sure that the Posse Comitatus and the N.R.A. et al. will be the vanguard of the truly democratic resistance.

[Krill]

Wait are you actually disputing the idea that driving a very large vehicle at high speed through an area densely populated with pedestrians wouldn't kill or injure a lot of people?

As for getting into college, 2230 on my SATs, 5s on AP exams like AP Physics C, and good grades in high school certainly helped.

There isn't enough space to accelerate to that high a speed in central London.

[regexcellent]

I've never been to London so I had no way of knowing that. But thanks for the explanation.

[The Mad Monk]

That whole guaranteed gun ownership thing certainly came through for Japanese Americans, didn't it ? And was really useful deterring the spread of Jim Crow laws, and maintaining the voting rights of black Americans. And enabling American citizens to voluntarily create and join trade unions.

All those gun owners out there were certainly instrumental in defending the civil rights of their fellow American citizens- and if any future pinko Commie Democrat dictatorship thinks of enslaving (how ironic) the American people, then I'm sure that the Posse Comitatus and the N.R.A. et al. will be the vanguard of the truly democratic resistance.

All those gun owners constitute about 47% of all households in the country.

[kittenOFchaos]

I guess he doesn't know that street crimes are committed with handguns since a big ass rifle can't be concealed.

No, because I had done the research I knew that assault rifles cause a disproportionately low amount of homicides.

That you and Felch couldn't work out that I was leading people there leads me to another conclusion.

[MichaeltheGreat]

All those gun owners constitute about 47% of all households in the country.

Gotta watch out for those 47%. They're nothin' but trouble.

[Uncle Sparky]

I'm wondering how many freedom loving Americans are overextendng their credit by snapping up extra guns and ammo. Wouldn't want to be the repo man in Angrywhiteman-istan.

[MichaeltheGreat]

I'm wondering how many freedom loving Americans are overextendng their credit by snapping up extra guns and ammo. Wouldn't want to be the repo man in Angrywhiteman-istan.

When Obama was elected the first time, there was an ammo shortage in a lot of calibers because all the idjits stocked up since they knew they'd be facing the Kenyan anti-Christ led UN New World Order's Gun Seizure Brigade^(TM).

[Felch]

No, because I had done the research I knew that assault rifles cause a disproportionately low amount of homicides.

That you and Felch couldn't work out that I was leading people there leads me to another conclusion.

What is your conclusion? You still haven't told us.

[Felch]

But that's really just saying, it's such a big problem, do nothing. There was a will to enact Prohibition (even if some of the inspiration of the Temperance Movement came from anti-immigrant and anti-union prejudice). I know it was largely a failure, but the point is, at least it was tried.

The same goes for voting rights for women, for black Americans, the War on Poverty- simply saying that something seems like an insurmountable problem is a recipe for stagnation.

You realize they never got rid of booze or poverty, right?

I doubt this very much. I am aware that some people in the U.S. have opted for suicide by cop, for instance, but there is as far as I know, a difference in the motivations behind mass murder and self murder.

Why do you think a suicide vest isn't used for mass murder?

Yeah, because the right to bear arms has saved so many Americans from arbitrary arrest and guaranteed their civil rights.

Unless of course, you count that whole denial of voting rights to African Americans. And all the other instances in American history where the government (state or national) has acted to deny American citizens their constituionally guaranteed civil rights- regardless of that 'sacred' right to bear arms.

The right of blacks to bear arms has been infringed on for most of our history. And you seem to be responding to an excerpt of something that I said pulled completely out of context. We were talking about Uncle Sparky's plan to sue the NRA for its political views and activities.

That whole guaranteed gun ownership thing certainly came through for Japanese Americans, didn't it ? And was really useful deterring the spread of Jim Crow laws, and maintaining the voting rights of black Americans. And enabling American citizens to voluntarily create and join trade unions.

All those gun owners out there were certainly instrumental in defending the civil rights of their fellow American citizens- and if any future pinko Commie Democrat dictatorship thinks of enslaving (how ironic) the American people, then I'm sure that the Posse Comitatus and the N.R.A. et al. will be the vanguard of the truly democratic resistance.

Japanese Americans made up about .2% of the population at the time. If they were to resist internment, they'd have been wiped out. There were far more Italian and German Americans, and they were not interned in camps.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You realize they never got rid of booze or poverty, right?

Interesting thing with Prohibition is that alcohol consumption actually did go down dramatically. Of course the arose a black market, but even with that, alcohol consumption plummeted - which if that was your goal was a good thing.

Anyways, what he was saying is that lack of success doesn't mean that a big option can't be tried - its not really that great of an argument to say "x can't be done", because in certain instances the big option was tried and succeeded (rights for women and blacks for instance).