If God really created Adam and Eve .....

[N35t0r]

Opium and/or pot?

[dannubis]

I heard a rather good joke on this:

After much sadness and nagging God agreed to Adam to create his ideal Eve. He said however: "Adam, in order to do all that I will need the following: 1 arm, 1 lung, 1 kidney, 1 testicle and 10 ribs."

Adam thinks for a while and then asks: "What can I get for 1 rib ?"

[MrFun]

When God cast Adam and Eve out of the garden and decreed that henceforth childbirth would be painful, did he accomplish this by shrinking Eve's vagina? Up until that point did she have an absolutely massive vagina or something? Also, when God said this, how was Eve supposed to have any basis for comparison WRT the pain of childbirth - had she given birth prior to being expelled from the garden? If so, where did these pre-Cain-and-Abel kids go to? Or was it that prior to being expelled from the garden Adam and Eve only had anal/oral sex owing to Adam not enjoying Eve's massive vagina, and hence there weren't any pre-expulsion childbirths? This would still present the problem of how Adam and Even were supposed to know that they were being punished about the whole childbirth thing. "As punishment for your sins, **** will now taste nasty." "But God, we weren't eating **** up until now anyway." "Oh. Well, trust me, **** used to taste awesome, but now it tastes nasty. So there."

[Kidlicious]

Yeah, like you would know what it tastes like.

[MrFun]

Yeah, like you would know what it tastes like.

I don't, but I can still appreciate loinburger's vast knowledge of all things important.

[The Mad Monk]

No.

[DaShi]

When God cast Adam and Eve out of the garden and decreed that henceforth childbirth would be painful, did he accomplish this by shrinking Eve's vagina? Up until that point did she have an absolutely massive vagina or something? Also, when God said this, how was Eve supposed to have any basis for comparison WRT the pain of childbirth - had she given birth prior to being expelled from the garden? If so, where did these pre-Cain-and-Abel kids go to? Or was it that prior to being expelled from the garden Adam and Eve only had anal/oral sex owing to Adam not enjoying Eve's massive vagina, and hence there weren't any pre-expulsion childbirths? This would still present the problem of how Adam and Even were supposed to know that they were being punished about the whole childbirth thing. "As punishment for your sins, **** will now taste nasty." "But God, we weren't eating **** up until now anyway." "Oh. Well, trust me, **** used to taste awesome, but now it tastes nasty. So there."

Dogs know it!

[Berzerker]

more fun with Genesis - after God made Adam he had Adam name the animals, but no helpmate was found - good thing for us some goat didn't catch Adam's eye. And what was that stuff about a man leaving his parents to be joined with the wife? Adam had parents?

[Kidlicious]

And what was that stuff about a man leaving his parents to be joined with the wife? Adam had parents?

That's one of the reasons I don't believe in The Fall doctrine. Obviously God was setting up the institution of the family, which is a good thing.

[Berzerker]

whats the fall doctrine?

original sin?

[Kidlicious]

Yes. The Fall doctrine is that God created man sinless and because of the original sin mankind is collectively guilty.

[Berzerker]

is the fall doctrine an attempt to argue for god's perfection by excluding us from creation via the snake and apple?

[DaShi]

Where do the Lilim fit in?

[Kidlicious]

is the fall doctrine an attempt to argue for god's perfection by excluding us from creation via the snake and apple?

I don't think you need the doctrine to argue that God is perfect. I think the doctrine is a weak argument for free will. A better argument for free will is to say that each of us sins because we choose to sin. We exclude ourselves.

[Berzerker]

hmm...i agree

but doesn't that call into question god's motives?

if sin is outside the flow why would god create beings that cant avoid sin?

does creation need sin?