Scott Walker's crusade continues

[The Mad Monk]

SAG, AEA, and...?

[DaShi]

Let's be honest here. You're just favoring mob rule. A rather odd stand for a gay man to take.

Yeah, it's only right when the tea party does it.

[Felch]

Be a true conservative. They're not entitled to a job. If they don't want to pay union dues, then they can go get a different job. I hear WalMart is always hiring, and Lord knows, they've got great pay and benefits and nary a union due ever.

Same thing if they don't want to cut their hair or wear a company uniform. They can get a job where they don't have to do that. All the crocodile tear concern for the poor working man is truly touching.

But thanks for at least admitting that the real issue is about political activities by the unions, not about the poor working man's money.

What I'm reading from this is that unions care more about money for politics than the welfare of the workers. Which sounds about right.

[Felch]

If people want to be in unions, they're free to join them. If people want to work without joining a union, who are you to deny them that liberty? Nobody should be forced to pay for political activity that they don't support. Nobody should be forced to join a union that they don't want to join. This isn't liberal or conservative, this is about fascism or freedom.

[Felch]

Do you ***** and moan whenever you're compelled to pay a ticket for a concert you want to go to?

Somewhere between one third and two fifths of votes from union households go to Republicans. I can't find a good clear chart showing this, but I think that the Progressive Policy Institute should be a source you can trust. If one-third of the people at a concert couldn't stand the music, does it make sense for them to be forced to buy tickets? Or do you just hate to think of workers as individuals with their own private beliefs and motivations? Wouldn't you prefer they just be obedient to your will?

[MichaeltheGreat]

If people want to be in unions, they're free to join them. If people want to work without joining a union, who are you to deny them that liberty? Nobody should be forced to pay for political activity that they don't support. Nobody should be forced to join a union that they don't want to join. This isn't liberal or conservative, this is about fascism or freedom.

They're only being denied liberty if you take the position that they are entitled to a given job and can pick and choose what conditions they want. Maybe they want an extra two dollars an hour, and the right to wear no clothes. Are you going to deny them that liberty? Maybe they're not morning people, and they want the employer to give them special shifts. Are you going to deny them that libery? Think of the welfare of the poor not a morning person worker who has to show up at 8:00 am like everyone else. Let's cut the horse**** - this isn't about "liberty" at all. The sole focus is on gutting unions by any means possible.

[giblets]

What I'm reading from this is that unions care more about money for politics than the welfare of the workers. Which sounds about right.

As if politics and the welfare of the workers are unrelated.

[DinoDoc]

Let's cut the horse**** - this isn't about "liberty" at all. The sole focus is on gutting unions by any means possible.

If the Union dies as a result of offering the worker a choice, in what esteem is the union held in by the people they seek to represent?

[Felch]

They're only being denied liberty if you take the position that they are entitled to a given job and can pick and choose what conditions they want. Maybe they want an extra two dollars an hour, and the right to wear no clothes. Are you going to deny them that liberty? Maybe they're not morning people, and they want the employer to give them special shifts. Are you going to deny them that libery? Think of the welfare of the poor not a morning person worker who has to show up at 8:00 am like everyone else. Let's cut the horse**** - this isn't about "liberty" at all. The sole focus is on gutting unions by any means possible.

I don't think a person's politics should be a basis for employment. Why do you think it should be?

[Felch]

As if politics and the welfare of the workers are unrelated.

As if you're more qualified to know what's good for workers than workers are. Why are you so paternalistic? Are all workers mentally defective? Are you their state appointed guardian?

[Felch]

You know, when I first came to this site I thought MtG was fierce. Now I see he's incapable of anything more than beating up strawmen.

Does anybody seriously think that showing up to work naked is the same as not wanting your pay given over to a political party you don't support?

[giblets]

As if you're more qualified to know what's good for workers than workers are. Why are you so paternalistic? Are all workers mentally defective? Are you their state appointed guardian?

How does this issue have anything to do with whether people are best qualified to judge their own self interest?

[Felch]

How does this issue have anything to do with whether people are best qualified to judge their own self interest?

If workers are qualified to judge their own self interest, then they don't need to be forced into unions.

[giblets]

If workers are qualified to judge their own self interest, then they don't need to be forced into unions.

Free rider problem.

[Felch]

Big ****ing deal. The free rider problem is no excuse to force people to pay for political activities that they oppose.