This just in: Israel returns fire on Syrian targets from the Golan Heights

[giblets]

One would hope. They clearly don't use it, or don't know how to use it. More likely, they just don't ****ing care.

Even the US kill civilians by accident with drone strikes. Either the technology isn't perfect or Obama just doesn't care. I'll go with the former.

[Asher]

Israel's "moral failing" is that they don't put equal value on Israeli and non-Israeli lives.

Their moral failing is they don't care if they kill dozens of children if it means a shot at one terrorist.

[Asher]

Even the US kill civilians by accident with drone strikes. Either the technology isn't perfect or Obama just doesn't care. I'll go with the former.

Is the ratio of terrorist to civilian deaths really 1:100 for the US?

Don't shame your own country by comparing what you do with what Israel is doing.

[Felch]

You can't blindly fire massive amounts of deadly explosives in the general direction of a country and hope to kill a very specific target, shrugging off the death of hundreds of innocent civilians per target killed.

Nothing you've said here even comes close to reflecting reality, but this takes the cake. Simple put, hundreds of civilians haven't died yet. Maybe you think that's a small matter, but your sloppiness shows just how little you care about the facts on the ground.

If Israel were dropping explosives willy nilly, there'd be tens of thousands of dead Palestinians. So far the death toll is under two hundred. That's clear evidence of restraint on Israel's part.

[giblets]

So?

The rockets came from a professional military and aren't "toy rockets".

[Asher]

Nothing you've said here even comes close to reflecting reality, but this takes the cake. Simple put, hundreds of civilians haven't died yet. Maybe you think that's a small matter, but your sloppiness shows just how little you care about the facts on the ground.

136 have died in the past week alone, so yes...hundreds have died since this **** began. Thousands. Tens of thousands?

If Israel were dropping explosives willy nilly, there'd be tens of thousands of dead Palestinians. So far the death toll is under two hundred. That's clear evidence of restraint on Israel's part.

Oh, that's classic. They've only killed 136 civilians! Look how restrained they are. Warms my heart.

[Felch]

Their moral failing is they don't care if they kill dozens of children if it means a shot at one terrorist.

Is the ratio of terrorist to civilian deaths really 1:100 for the US?

Don't shame your own country by comparing what you do with what Israel is doing.

Where the hell do you get these numbers from? Dozens of children? 1:100? You're making up a bunch of horse****.

[Felch]

136 have died in the past week alone, so yes...hundreds have died since this **** began. Thousands. Tens of thousands?


Oh, that's classic. They've only killed 136 civilians! Look how restrained they are. Warms my heart.

Why not throw in all the Canaanites killed in the book of Joshua?

[Asher]

Where the hell do you get these numbers from? Dozens of children? 1:100? You're making up a bunch of horse****.

How many terrorists have been killed?

Do your own research - dozens of children have been killed. 9 were killed in a single attack on Sunday, even.

[Felch]

We don't know exactly how many terrorists have been killed, but more than 1.36.

[SlowwHand]

Over 100 dead so far in Israeli strikes on Gaza City
India Today - 12 hours ago

Civilians lost is always bad, but you can't blame Israel. To do so is totally lacking reason, Asher. You know as well as anyone that Hamas positions themselves in a manner that lends itself to this result.
Chicken****, as I said. To expect Israel to just deal with being rocketed is also lacking reason, as I said.

[Jon Miller]

I don't see such threads about US actions...

JM

[Jon Miller]

In the ethical calculus, Israel is clearly lacking towards West Bank (it is building settlements on West Bank territory, and so on).

In the ethical calculus, Gaza is clearly lacking towards Israel (their territory is free of settlements, to have the blockade removed they just have to make peace, which they refuse to do).

Saying 'more Gazaians die then Israelis' has no meaning, it just means that Israel is better at protecting it's citizens and Gaza is worse (as others have pointed out, it even purposefully has it's citizens in danger, but this point could be ignored and the conclusion would still be clear). The only reason why Gaza/Israel conflict continues is because Gaza wants revenge. It has nothing to do with valid reasons like appropriating territory/etc. And you can't say the blockade is the reason, as the blockade is in place because Gaza pursued war against the Israelis.

In fact, ethically Israel would be within their rights to shoot rockets and mortars back.

The fact that we get threads like this about Gaza and not about West Bank tells me that something is wrong with people (probably listening to PR).

JM

[Hauldren Collider]

Jon, Israel is reluctant to pull out of the West Bank because in the past trading land for peace hasn't done them any good. You might recall the fact that Israel pulled out of Gaza about 7 years ago and the Gazans rewarded them with rockets and mortar attacks. If that happened from the West Bank they could bring the entire Israeli economy to a standstill with ease.

[Dr Strangelove]

Civilians lost is always bad, but you can't blame Israel. reason.

That's true. Be sure to include the British Empire for drafting the Balfour Declaration, an empty promise they never intended to keep, and Germany plus European culture in general for making the holocaust possible and then continuing the persecution after the war.