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  • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
    Can you provide evidence they didn't live in the immediate vicinity of a rocket site?
    All evidence available say they had nothing to do with the militants and they were hit dead-on leaving a 2-3 meter crater.

    So did the Israelis not care, or were they stupid, or were they inept?
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    • Originally posted by Asher View Post
      Retribution doesn't mean spite.

      It means Israel is bombing Gaza in retaliation (retribution) for rockets being fired on their own land. They ostensibly try to target "only the bad guys", but the results - as we've seen over decades - show they get it wrong more than they get it right. And you know what? They honestly don't give a ****. Because it's retribution.
      What makes you think they don't give a ****? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get only the bad guys when they deliberately locate themselves within groups of innocents? I would say that it's a miracle civilian casualties aren't ten times what they are now, except that it's no miracle--it's a testament to the skill and discretion of the Israel Defense Forces.
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      • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
        If you try to shoot me, then hide behind your brother and I accidentally shoot him instead of you, I was acting in self-defense.
        You seem to be acting under the assumption that Israel is bombing sites where they were fired upon from. This is not the case.

        They have a list of "targets" and they move down the list each time they get attacked.
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        • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
          What makes you think they don't give a ****?
          The fact that they keep doing it, over and over and over?

          They either don't give a **** or are incredibly inept. I don't think the IDF is inept. I think they don't give a **** about Palestinian lives.
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          • Originally posted by Asher View Post
            Retribution doesn't mean spite.

            It means Israel is bombing Gaza in retaliation (retribution) for rockets being fired on their own land. They ostensibly try to target "only the bad guys", but the results - as we've seen over decades - show they get it wrong more than they get it right. And you know what? They honestly don't give a ****. Because it's retribution.

            It's a tit-for-tat endless cycle of retribution for decades.
            Why is it that they only seem to have this "retribution" with Hamas, and not Egypt? Or Jordan? Or lately, the West Bank? Why do you suppose that is? Hamas is to blame for this conflict.
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            • Originally posted by Asher View Post
              Retribution doesn't mean spite.

              It means Israel is bombing Gaza in retaliation (retribution) for rockets being fired on their own land. They ostensibly try to target "only the bad guys", but the results - as we've seen over decades - show they get it wrong more than they get it right. And you know what? They honestly don't give a ****. Because it's retribution.

              It's a tit-for-tat endless cycle of retribution for decades.
              If they don't retaliate, it will only be easier for Hamas to fire rockets at Israelis and kill them. Self-defense.

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              • Originally posted by Asher View Post
                The fact that they keep doing it, over and over and over?

                They either don't give a **** or are incredibly inept. I don't think the IDF is inept. I think they don't give a **** about Palestinian lives.
                You are dead wrong. They are extremely careful, and you are acting like Ben again, selectively quoting my posts and refusing to actually read my arguments.
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                • Originally posted by Asher View Post
                  You seem to be acting under the assumption that Israel is bombing sites where they were fired upon from. This is not the case.

                  They have a list of "targets" and they move down the list each time they get attacked.
                  This is false. Israel does counter-battery fire and swoops in on rocket launch sites after they detect launches.
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                  • I think they don't give a **** about Palestinian lives.
                    I hear they use Palestinian blood as a dip for Matzah bread in as a delicacy.
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                    • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      Why is it that they only seem to have this "retribution" with Hamas, and not Egypt?
                      Egypt has more allies and can put up more of a fight.

                      Or Jordan?
                      Allies.

                      Or lately, the West Bank?
                      I'm glad you specified "lately".
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                      • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        You are dead wrong. They are extremely careful
                        If this is Israel being careful, I can't imagine what a sloppy Israel is.

                        Maybe we should take away the keys to the car. They clearly can't drive it responsibly.

                        Israel isn't known for being extremely careful.
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                        • Israel would happily agree to stop bombing and blockading Gaza in exchange for no more rocket attacks. It's Hamas that insists on perpetuating the conflict. Israel is acting in self defense, Hamas is the aggressor.

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                          • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                            This is false. Israel does counter-battery fire and swoops in on rocket launch sites after they detect launches.
                            How is it false? They are clearly doing more than counter-battery fire.

                            The stated aim of Operation Pillar of Defense is to "disrupt the capabilities of militant organizations" in addition to "halting rocket attacks".
                            The IDF has launched more than 1,350 air, tank, and warship strikes against targets in the Gaza Strip as of 19 November,[24] including rocket launching pads, weapons depots, individual militants, and facilities of the Hamas authority in Gaza.[25][26] According to Gaza health officials, 113 Palestinians had been killed in the conflict by 20 November, of which: 53 were civilians, 49 militants and 1 was a policeman.[
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                            • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                              Israel would happily agree to stop bombing and blockading Gaza in exchange for no more rocket attacks. It's Hamas that insists on perpetuating the conflict. Israel is acting in self defense, Hamas is the aggressor.
                              Let's put this in perspective again. The rockets are decidedly low-tech, Israel has a hugely expensive anti-rocket defense system, and 3 people have died after thousands of rockets.

                              In response, 113 Palestinians have died.

                              The death rate of innocents on the Palestinian side is almost 18 times higher than Israel's.

                              At what point is the country in "self-defense" slaughtering an unacceptably high number of civilians? It's the equivalent of getting punched by someone, then you marching over to their house and gun down the guy and all of his family. Self-defense becomes a stretch in such a case.
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                              • Maybe because they aren't doing a comparison of lives lost, but instead are reacting to hundreds of missiles being fired into Israel by systematically destroying their enemies capabilities to continue doing so?

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