50 years ago, the GOP lost the surest and most stalwart supporters of the Republican party, who had voted overwhelmingly Republican for a century: African Americans. Then in the last few decades, we've seen all but Cuban Americans break from the Republicans. Now, what has happened to the Asian American vote? In 1992, Bush Sr. received 55% of the Asian vote to Clinton's 31%. Asian Americans were solidly Republican voters. Now in 2012? Obama carried 73% of Asians! There's a big elephant in the room in the shrinking GOP tent and it's demographics. For various reasons, the Republican party has lost its strength since its founding: diversity.
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov View PostGoldwater was the guy who said "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" quote. I think Eisenhower and Rockefeller would shudder to be lumped with him.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.
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Yeah, I remember my parents talking about Goldwater as the one who would use nuclear bombs. (I was seven; I remember it distinctly. And we had bomb drills in school. Duck-and-cover!)
But when I read about Goldwater now (including things like that quote), there's a lot more appeal. He was really a classic American politician, and I for one mourn the lost art of compromise in Congress.
It's a good example of how rightward the whole GOP has slid over my lifetime.Apolyton's Grim Reaper 2008, 2010 & 2011
RIP lest we forget... SG (2) and LaFayette -- Civ2 Succession Games Brothers-in-Arms
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Originally posted by Lonestar View PostGoldwater also said that courting evangelicals would bring disaster to the GOP, because they have no concept of compromise and you need compromise in politics.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View PostBen, I'm going to be as polite as possible and tell you something I told someone else:
The problem is, the Republican party will not survive as a national party if it becomes solely a coalition of the Southern Bible Belt and the Tea Party. It needs the leadership of Northern moderates, the so-called RINO's. Look, Nixon was a Californian, Reagan was a Californian by way of Illinois, H. W. Bush was a Massachusetts man like Romney. The GOP was at its zenith led by such men who captured national appeal. Nixon, Reagan, and H. W. Bush won elections by incredible margins, never before seen in American politics. Only Massachusetts didn't reelect Nixon; only Minnesota didn't reelect Reagan. 49 states going for Republicans! This was not ancient history!
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Originally posted by regexcellent View PostThe democrats are hardly better on immigration. They're in favor of certain increased rights for illegals, but not generally on solving the fundamental problem with our immigration, which is that we don't just let everyone in. Democrats like to let in more family members, and Republicans like to let in more skilled and educated individuals. Then they argue over whether to go the "humanitarian" route in quotas or "economic" route in quotas. It's kind of retarded.
Republicans should dash past Dems on this issue and go all out for immigration.
Republicans: full-throated support of Arizona's SB170 law and those like it.
Democrats: full-throated opposition to that law and those like it.
Until you understand just how offensive and atrocious that law is to Latinos, you'll not understand why they are flocking to the Democrats.
Or you can compare the two platforms on Immigration and ask a Latino if the Democratic view is "hardly better."
And the Congressional Democrats have tried repeatedly to pass the DREAM Act, but the Republicans continue to block it. Note that one of its Republican backers was Dick Lugar, who was ousted by the Tea Party this year for his blasphemy.Last edited by Boris Godunov; November 7, 2012, 23:43.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostWhat do you mean "incredible margins, never before seen in American politics"? LBJ and FDR were re-elected in landslides."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov View PostSure.
Republicans: full-throated support of Arizona's SB170 law and those like it.
Democrats: full-throated opposition to that law and those like it.
Until you understand just how offensive and atrocious that law is to Latinos, you'll not understand why they are flocking to the Democrats.
Or you can compare the two platforms on Immigration and ask a Latino if the Democratic view is "hardly better."
And the Congressional Democrats have tried repeatedly to pass the DREAM Act, but the Republicans continue to block it. Note that one of its Republican backers was Dick Lugar, who was ousted by the Tea Party this year for his blasphemy.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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George Bush recognized the obvious reality that the GOP needs Latinos. However he was too weak willed to pursue them against the wishes of the idiots.
Y'all hate George Bush, some for the right reasons, most for the wrong ones, but he was no idiot.If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Let's still remember that immigration is a non-issue for Cuban Americans and Puerto Ricans before we start lumping together all Hispanics into a monolith."Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov View PostBy modern Republican standards, that would be... Rick Santorum? Mike Huckabee? Go for it, nominate one of those guys in 2016. See what happens.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View PostGeorge Bush recognized the obvious reality that the GOP needs Latinos. However he was too weak willed to pursue them against the wishes of the idiots.
Y'all hate George Bush, some for the right reasons, most for the wrong ones, but he was no idiot.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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